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So much for DOH being the "gold standard", right MM. Interesting that you're depending on the new hires NOT wanting DOH just so you can keep what you've taken. Just further proof that "fair" has nothing to do with what you're doing. It's all about making up for a lousy career by taking the West's seniority for yourself. All about greed...

Jim
Still bitter after 22+ years. Too bad that ALPA didn't let you steal other guys' seniority.

If they want DOH, then all they have to do is agree to it. It's that simple. If they don't agree, they get all that separate ops will provide them. Notining more. It's the west contingent that has a decision to make, no one else.
 
How are those PHX-PHL-PHX deadheads going? To bad there's not markets out west instead of deadheading back and forth across the country to do East flying.
 
Still bitter after 22+ years. Too bad that ALPA didn't let you steal other guys' seniority.

If they want DOH, then all they have to do is agree to it. It's that simple. If they don't agree, they get all that separate ops will provide them. Notining more. It's the west contingent that has a decision to make, no one else.
And its a good that Leonidas is preventing you from stealing from the West.

Final and Binding. Wheres this new contract? Afraid to put it up for a vote?


USAPA = THE laughing stock
 
Are you new? If HUGE if the east pilots find your spine and IF the NMB releases you. The TA that does not allow west to fly east is gone. The company will assign whatever flights to whoever. It is called self help. The company can also engage in self help. Learn about the RLA.

Beside I think that is funny that you would point to the TA to say that we cannot fly the routes but that TA that says you will use the Niclau you ignore. What is it? IS the TA valid on all points or just the ones you want?

Clear,

If we are going to talk about hypothetical strikes that are not going to happen, we should point out all the facts.

An en masse West crossing of a legitimate usapa picket would not happen, but if it did, not only could the West fly east routes, the West could fly east airplanes. hmmm...how many West pilots plus management pilots would it take to keep the airline running?

Also, did you read the rule 11 filing yet? If I am reading it correctly, usapa is seeking legal fees from Pollsinelli, because Seham is accusing them of filling frivolous motions. I hope I am reading it correctly, and cannot wait for the judges smack down of Seham on this one.
 
Are you new? If HUGE if the east pilots find your spine and IF the NMB releases you. The TA that does not allow west to fly east is gone. The company will assign whatever flights to whoever. It is called self help. The company can also engage in self help. Learn about the RLA.

Beside I think that is funny that you would point to the TA to say that we cannot fly the routes but that TA that says you will use the Niclau you ignore. What is it? IS the TA valid on all points or just the ones you want?

So proud to be a scab. Do you have a badge backer for that?
 
AWA320,

My PBGC number is $44,000 and change. Every seat change in the east generally represents a pay increase. We never bought off on that same pay for all equipment thing that the west has. From reserve to blockholder and narrow body to wide body the majority of our east pilots will benefit from the attrition that the east has coming. I really think the company has figured out it is so much cheaper to keep us separate. We live every day in the east with our DOH and life goes on. You guys out west have all that west attrition to look forward to. No one back east would ever try to take your west attrition from you.

Hate

OHHHHH there's some big money right there 🙄 I put more than that in my 401k and will retire with something you wont, MONEY!!!

Again the crazy 8s' can move up and take a little but the real hit comes to those who are already in the left seat making 124/hr. How long do you really think they are going to held down while you steal your way to the top?? I know for a fact after the "we will have a contract in 90 days if you elect us" "and we will get you a snap back that we had no provision for in the loa" has got to be sitting on their minds. Retiring under LOA 93 for those PSA's that your angry f/o's are holding down means certain moving out San Diego now as they cant afford to live there on that HUGE 44k pay check from the pbgc!! Yeah you keep thinking that your tossing them under the bus is just fine for your dishonorable greed, cant wait!!!

Please hurry up with my profit sharing check, Oh and PLEASE PLEASE try to play games with the amounts to show favoritisim to the east. That would just be the icing on my cake!!! Still waiting on that snap back? call the grievance granny Tracy who's been stealing you nutballs blind on the FPL. Never gonna see a penny of a snap back but hey here's to watching sink even further :lol: Off to make that 100% deadhead pay, you get that too right? 🙄

AWA320
 
So much for DOH being the "gold standard", right MM. Interesting that you're depending on the new hires NOT wanting DOH just so you can keep what you've taken. Just further proof that "fair" has nothing to do with what you're doing. It's all about making up for a lousy career by taking the West's seniority for yourself. All about greed...

Jim
Jim , a DOH contract would be the " GOLD STANDARD" I would vote on a section 22 that accomplished it but the NIC, as you said, "ALL ABOUT GREED" BTW HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU ALSO! MM!
 
Probably all true...but if the planets line up and USAPA calls a legal strike against LCC, you going to cross that line and run to the company's aid????

There is NO WAY you can put this dispute we are in over seniority and scabbing LCC in the same category. Of course, maybe ALPA will welcome you back into the fold with open arms. They have a history.

Driver B)
It seems that usapa is going to follow in the tradition.

Has Crimi been recalled for being a union buster?
 
Still bitter after 22+ years. Too bad that ALPA didn't let you steal other guys' seniority.

If they want DOH, then all they have to do is agree to it. It's that simple. If they don't agree, they get all that separate ops will provide them. Notining more. It's the west contingent that has a decision to make, no one else.
JIM , a DOH contract would be great, seperate ops!, how can an EAST new hire take a west job? Unless that new hire is put on the EAST ahead of someone hired before him and we know that won't happen! MM! Just like when piedmont hired you!
 
How are those PHX-PHL-PHX deadheads going? To bad there's not markets out west instead of deadheading back and forth across the country to do East flying.

I am simply amazed sometimes that pilots, people who do relatively simple math in their head all day long, cannot grasp how another simple math concept works.

I will show my work.

The east flies say 2000 block hours a day, and they fly 6% of that on "what could be considered West routes"

2000 X .06=120 block hours/day on West routes.

The West flies 1000 block hours a day, and they fly 24% of that on "what could be considered east routes".

1000 X .24=240 block hours/day on east routes.

difference of 120 hours. When you consider that a route like PHX-PHL, or PHX-DCA is flown by the
West, but is then tallied as "what could be considered and east route". It would boil down to east doing just as much West flying as vice versa.

So what we have here is a bunch of east posters who cannot grasp the fact that after the company shifted block hours from the West to the east in Aug 2008, then lost a grievence over it, then had to move flying back to the West that was theirs originally, and marketing wanted to move things around a little to get some more synergy, that it is all basically a wash.

Why do you geniuses think the company came up with this statistic in the first place? It was because they needed it for the min block hour grievence they lost. They were trying to show that they did not move block hours from West to east, but in reality they did, and they lost the grievence over doing so.

Bottom line, the West is not doing significantly more east flying than the east is doing West flying.

As an aside, I personally have not had to do any DH flights as part of my pairing to get into position. However, I have carried many numerous east crew in the back from PHX (an obvious West domicile, hence West route the east crew flew inbound) into SAN, SFO,LAX, etc. etc. any of this ringing a bell?
 
"This decision presents a restraint on the ability of union’s to negotiate. And the judge’s holding that plaintiffs may sue over bargaining proposals, not actual agreements, presents the danger that collective bargaining, particularly during unpopular events such as concessionary negotiations, will be bogged down in lawsuits ginned up by plaintiff’s lawyers who, as the court described the plaintiffs’ lawyers here, misstate law and facts.

The decision reads like this case became a hobby for the judge. An explanation for this seemingly inexplicable award comes from the judge’s harsh criticism of USAPA’s attorneys, the law firm of Seham, Seham, Meltz & Peterson:"Baptiste and Wilder RLA blog...... Note- the case became a hobby for the judge! That is why it had the outcome it did. And the end result is that Wake got SLAMMED. Fear not another trial from Leonidas. This was a once in a lifetime meeting of inept Leonidas counsel and a right wing nut job judge out for a unions' hide.
Another example of the 180 degree wrong understanding of east pilots. Would you at least try and pretend like you know or understand what is going on here. Maybe you just lie as a matter of course in your life I don’t know.

In the Addington case the Plaintiffs were the west pilots. The defendant was usapa. That line about misstate law was about usapa and Seham.


USAPA has at various stages misstated law, facts, and procedural history, with frequent recourse to the “contradiction or confusion . . . produced by a medley of judicial phrases severed from their environment.” Guaranty Tr. Co. of N.Y. v. York, 326 U.S. 99, 106 (1945) (Frankfurter, J.). It is therefore necessary to cut a path through much labor law bramble on the way to granting relief. First, this Order explains the theory supporting liability. Second, it reaffirms and elaborates upon the subject matter jurisdiction and ripeness, best understood in light of the merits. Third, it outlines the propriety, scope, and nature of relief granted.

Just so we know do you consider any judge that is reversed or remanded to be "slammed" or "spanked"
 
So proud to be a scab. Do you have a badge backer for that?
So we can use the scab word now? Great!!

Yeah, over 1000 West pilots have a badge backer for that, it reads "UNION PILOT".

You probably proudly display yours.
 
Hence, in accordance with the TA-9 Opinion, the fence would apply for recalls. Section II.B. 10. only applies if the Company seeks to hire new pilots while there are West pilots on furlough.
CONCLUSION
The Company offering recall to new hire East pilots who are already on the East seniority list, before offering recall to those east positions to pre-merger West pilots on furlough, does not violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement/Transition Agreement. If after the Company offers recall to the new hire East pilots, there are still positions available, then the Company would, at that point, pursuant to Section II. B. 10., be required to offer those positions to West pilots before hiring any new pilots. JIM, I didn't come up with it TA-9 , enjoy your honorary position of the 40Watt club! HAPPY HOLIDAY's JIM!
 
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