US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

Was BB on the merger committee at the time? Because according to usapa theory mergers only apply to the MC. So as a line pilot he had nothing to do with it and does not have to live under it. But that is just usapa theory. I guess you are saying that is wrong now. That it does apply and line pilots do have a say.

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YOu westies complain that we east are all responsible for what our ALPA MEC / MErger commmitte did in the AWA merger.


Now Jim gets questioned on what he did to stop the stapling of the Empire guys, which I think is wrong and should still be corrected to this day...

Jim is one of the most pro WEST lovers on this board, always defending. That makes me wonder... It's just like politicians .. I hate ones that always vote one way...
you must vote the for what is right.....

Empire should go DOH...

and Jim should answer the questions.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Was BB on the merger committee at the time?

No, I at no time with PI served on any comittee or rep position - a fact that makes Nos' original question about what I did as an ALPA rep nothing but silly attacking. Likewise with each question Nos has asked since - something is false in the question, completely made up so as to attack via question. A further example is Nos' question to 767Jetz about FPL, presumably insinuating that Jetz was being paid FPL to post here. When Jetz answered the question honestly, Nos didn't retract the insinuation but tossed the answer off with "you justify that somehow" instead of accepting the answer. It's typical East mindset - they're always right, anyone who disagrees is always wrong and is attacked.

I guess it's a defense mechanism - they're unable to face the truth so keep telling each other how right they are.

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Gee. How much flight pay loss do you receive from USAPA sumadarson?

You sure seem to have a lot documents and thing just hanging around. Oh by the way. Those two documents that you posted. No court stamps. (oops missed that little detail did you) So you did not get them through the normal public method. Did Seham hand these to you or did you get them from comm to post? Don't you have anything better to do with the pilots money than engage in internet trash talk?

Talk about being a shill. Folks we got a usapa shill right here. So whenever you read something from sumadarson. Understand that it is usapa spin from the inside.

Actually okay I fess up HATE2 and myself overindulged in court documents and are scheduled for Court DocAnon therapy next month, your last statement is so ridiculous, YOU called someone a shill,like YOUR spin is not from the outside, give us a break,go tell it to your minor children!MM!

 

[No Land Green]

It's typical East mindset - they're always right, anyone who disagrees is always wrong and is attacked.



Jim

Another blanket statement that does not hold water.

For some here "debate" equals "attack".

I guess being called a "2 watt" by the above poster doesn't constitute an attack........

This place is just as amusing as the ALPA Web Board was and the old ALPA Forum.......

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No, I at no time with PI served on any comittee or rep position - a fact that makes Nos' original question about what I did as an ALPA rep nothing but silly attacking. Likewise with each question Nos has asked since - something is false in the question, completely made up so as to attack via question. A further example is Nos' question to 767Jetz about FPL, presumably insinuating that Jetz was being paid FPL to post here. When Jetz answered the question honestly, Nos didn't retract the insinuation but tossed the answer off with "you justify that somehow" instead of accepting the answer. It's typical East mindset - they're always right, anyone who disagrees is always wrong and is attacked.

I guess it's a defense mechanism - they're unable to face the truth so keep telling each other how right they are.

Jim

The truth is JIM you assume alot, for people you may not have ever met or dealt with on a personal level, you contrary-ian! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

Rule 11 complaint

As you are surely aware, this is the fourth time that you· have threatened to file.a Rule 11motion.

Three others time got you nowhere. Judge Silver may not play as nice as judge Wake.

Until now, the District of Arizona apparently has not found the need to remind counsel that "[r]equests for sanctions seek court orders and are, therefore, subject to the same Rule 11 analysis as all other motions."

Other federal courts have needed to remind counsel that "[c]onducting litigation with civility requires, at the least, restraint from threatening opposing counsel with baseless Rule 11 motions."

11 motions." Stevenson v. Employers Mut. Ass'n, 960 F. Supp.i41, 145, n3 (N.D. Ill. 1997). "Rule 11 should never be used as a litigation tactic for intimidating opposing counsel from asserting a meritorious position."

We urge you to carefully consider the consequences of repeatedly threatening to file Rule 11 motions. We urge as well that you confer with Stan Lubin so that you have local input on whether the actions you threaten would be well taken.

Do I see a "spanking" coming Sehams way?

 

[No Land Green]

Three others time got you nowhere. Judge Silver may not play as nice as judge Wake.







Do I see a "spanking" coming Sehams way?

Your file is dated September 2010, the one Sumadarson's is dated November 2010. Who know's, maybe the Rule 11 is "ripe" now........

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Three others time got you nowhere. Judge Silver may not play as nice as judge Wake.







Do I see a "spanking" coming Sehams way?

Funny you said almost the same thing over 2million dollars ago!MM!

 

[cleardirect]

Your file is dated September 2010, the one Sumadarson's is dated November 2010. Who know's, maybe the Rule 11 is "ripe" now........

Yes it is dated Sept. That is an exchange between the lawyers before Seham filed in Nov.

I wonder how long it will take for judge Silver to decide all of this?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I guess being called a "2 watt" by the above poster doesn't constitute an attack........

Like I said earlier, complain to MM since he's the one that started it. Oh, that's right - you and MM are on the same side of the debate so it's not an attack for him to use the X-watt term but it's attacking when someone who disagrees with you does it.

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

Yes it is dated Sept. That is an exchange between the lawyers before Seham filed in Nov.

I wonder how long it will take for judge Silver to decide all of this?

Good question. I'm guessing like most legal issues, the money factor comes in to play. The more it drags out, the more money gets deposited into the legal system. Just my opinion. Lawyers love money as much as pilots do, if not more. In a way time is on everyone else's side but the pilots, both West and East.

 

[No Land Green]

Like I said earlier, complain to MM since he's the one that started it. Oh, that's right - you and MM are on the same side of the debate so it's not an attack for him to use the X-watt term but it's attacking when someone who disagrees with you does it.

Jim

Jim, I did not call you any names. You called me a "2 watt". I don't endorse name calling by anyone on either side of the debate. What I did say is that some people here equate debate to attack. There are plenty of posters here that disagree with my views and state so. I don't consider it a personal attack. I will answer back a post or comment as I see fit, as should everyone here who participates.

 

[kubotapilot]

Hi Jim,

Can you please give me your personal opinion as to whether the Empire/Piedmont integration was fair? Please do not qualify with union/non union etc...just from your own MORAL perspective. Not from a lawyer's perspective, just yours. While you are at it, how do you feel about the TWA/AA integration also??

Like I said earlier, complain to MM since he's the one that started it. Oh, that's right - you and MM are on the same side of the debate so it's not an attack for him to use the X-watt term but it's attacking when someone who disagrees with you does it.

Jim

 

[A320 Driver]

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Empire should go DOH...

Back to the Navajos and Merlins???

Think again...

Driver <_<

 

[BoeingBoy]

Hi Jim,

Can you please give me your personal opinion as to whether the Empire/Piedmont integration was fair? Please do not qualify with union/non union etc...just from your own MORAL perspective. Not from a lawyer's perspective, just yours. While you are at it, how do you feel about the TWA/AA integration also??

Gladly although I given the same answer before. I think relative position by seat/equipment is a fair starting point for merging any two seniority lists = Empire/PI, Shuttle/US, US/HP. Put in some minimum C&R's to ease in anyd transition to equipment types that only one of the merger partners has, like the widebodies in this merger. Without going into tacking inactive pilots out and then putting them back into the combined list, that's my philosophy - been that was since before I was an airline pilot watching the AA/trans-Caribbean merger to today. Nic got it basically right in my opinion, although I would have done the widebody protection differently.

So to directly answer your question, no - I didn't like the Empire pilots being stapled to the bottom but was consoled by the protection given them in SYR and the rapid growth at PI that would make the bottom Empire pilot a 727/737 captain in 4 years. In short, the Empire pilots had better expectations being put on the bottom of the PI list than nearly every West pilot will with USAPA's DOH with C&R/s.

Jim

PS added - you didn't call me names but you did say about me "He's obviously in favor of stapling the East F/O's", a statement that I've never uttered.

ps #2 - forgot your question about AA/TWA. From most of what I've read, which is mainly from ex-TWA people, it doesn't sound like relative position by seat/equip. Apparently there was no arbitrator's award to read, and orig AA people disagree with the ex-TWAers position, so I don't know exactly how it was done other than after STL wasn't a crew base when the majority/all the ex-TWA pilots apparently ended up near the bottom of the combined list. In other words, it sounds like it was unfair but without more info I can't absolutely say it was unfair. In my opion, of course).