US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Glad to hear it.

Since there were only 987 names on your "backer" list, you need to at least double your number.

The Nic will never be in a contract. You can take that to the bank, when you go get another check to send in.

The list of names that was posted is relatively old. I forget when that came out, I think before the Addington verdict. The list of donor names, and the amounts collected is for the time being a closely guarded secret. You will not be reading it here anytime in the near future.

If the Nic will never be in a contract, there will never be a contract. That is pretty much the east's decision to make, and like I said, West is over it, paying while you decide, and hoping east comes to your senses.

 

[sumadarson]

You West pilots and America West Airlines are real classy guys, flying drugs, crossing picket lines in other countries. Yeah, show the rest of the world how its done. Pathetic.


You are not in Australia anymore taking jobs from strikers.

"Love him or hate him, Mike Conway is right about this, "We cannot afford to make policy and run this company based on the Jumpseat." His words not mine.

But, I agree and support his decision to send us to Australia. I am proud of the accomplishments we made and the professional manner with which we made them. Ansett Airlines has learned a lot from us about operating a deregulated airline.


The America West presence will be felt there long after we all come home."

Thanks guys for being the example for pay and conduct for the pilot profession in only the last twenty years, we learned a lot.

 

[aquagreen73s]

You West pilots and America West Airlines are real classy guys, flying drugs, crossing picket lines in other countries. Yeah, show the rest of the world how its done. Pathetic.


You are not in Australia anymore taking jobs from strikers.

Come on Smars. 30 minutes and you haven't dragged out the poster children - Hughes and Cloyd? You're losing your speed old man! Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Flight_556

Sheesh.

 

[nic4us]

You West pilots and America West Airlines are real classy guys, flying drugs, crossing picket lines in other countries. Yeah, show the rest of the world how its done. Pathetic.


You are not in Australia anymore taking jobs from strikers.

I have known and flown with Eastern scabs, Wein scabs, and some of the Australia crowd.

Know what they all have in common? An excuse. A rationalization of why it was an okay thing to do.

They all sound just like usapa.

 

[sumadarson]

Come on Smars. 30 minutes and you haven't dragged out the poster children - Hughes and Cloyd? You're losing your speed old man! Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Flight_556

Sheesh.

Sir, (in your vernacular, DUDE!)

You are making light of the fact that two of your pilots flew passengers while intoxicated.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Sir, (in your vernacular, DUDE!)

You are making light of the fact that two of your pilots flew passengers while intoxicated.

Dude, I don't think you want to go there. We've been through this and it isn't productive. Let's just say I'm making light of your throwing stones in a glass house that has glass furniture.

 

[sumadarson]

Come on Smars. 30 minutes and you haven't dragged out the poster children - Hughes and Cloyd? You're losing your speed old man! Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Flight_556

Sheesh.

Speaking of poster children, when the women and children of the pilots in Australia were trying to stop the America West Pilots from taking their families job, it was interesting about the comment of one of the West pilots that was crossing the picket line.

""I suppose they were experimenting with the tactic of making themselves look pitiful. They dragged their children around with them and planted them in front of you if you tried to move.

Well, what can one say? It was an interesting technique, but you could tell that the kids would really rather have been someplace else at the time.

In fact it was kind of hard to keep from laughing, but with 50+ of them and two of us there were some subliminal inhibitions against it.""

Did you find the above quote amusing, similar to your jest about your drunk pilots? Your america west pilot representative in Australia seemd to find it very amusing at that time.

 

[sumadarson]

Dude, I don't think you want to go there. We've been through this and it isn't productive. Let's just say I'm making light of your throwing stones in a glass house that has glass furniture.

Lets narrow it down to immoral and illegal activities by a pilot, you first.

 

[AWA320]

The integrity of America West Pilots

REALITY OF USAIR PILOTS

http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/usair.htm

Now if you are going to stoop to digging up old mess lets look at a list of the folks east pilots have killed. I can play this game if thats your desire.

AWA320

 

[cleardirect]

Sir, (in your vernacular, DUDE!)

You are making light of the fact that two of your pilots flew passengers while intoxicated.

You are everything that we have come to expect as a usapa shill. Misstating facts or just outright lying.

They never got off the ground. They never flew passengers.

I guess you have run out of arguments since you insist on dragging up the past. How about we talk about how many aircraft your so called professional aviators have damage in the last 5 years since we have had the displeasure of being tied to your miserable group.

TPA tore the nose gear out of the airplane.
Your highly skilled international pilot drove the wingtip through the rudder of a west 321.
Drove off the taxiway trying to beat a west plane to the gate.
Shot a hole in the airplane.
That is just off the top of my head.

You really want to play this game?

I suggest that you stick to the issue at hand.

 

[cleardirect]

Lets narrow it down to immoral and illegal activities by a pilot, you first.

Really?

Has your arguments failed so badly that you want to go down that road?

 

[cleardirect]

You need to understand this a little better, and have a little empathy for what happened to these guys. The East MEC was practically in bed with the company on numerous issues, this being one of them. It isn't going to get glossed over just because you can't get a grasp on it.

I understand this situation just fine. Anyone else that looks at this situation understands it also. It is you guys that are the only ones that don't. I understand that you guys have screwed up just about everything that you touched.

Empathy? Are you kidding me. So we are back to the same old argument. ALPA was bad it was ALPAs fault. Whine, whine, whine. You guys elected them it was your responsibility to watch over your leadership. And the every popular it's not fair rant. Next you will ask don't you think they deserve something. No I don't. It was your mess you guys created it. Clean it up or live with it. But do not expect us to pay for or clean it up.

I don't care. It is a simple concept. get furloughed go to J4J not mainline. Get integrated as a furloughed pilot. End of story.

You did ignore my question. How about an answer?

First question. If you have 6 pilots A,B,C,D,E,F,G. If pilot A went to MDA pilot B did not and was furloughed. How could pilot C,D,E,F,G not be furloughed. You guys are all about straight seniority right. Anyone junior to B would be furloughed. If pilot F went to MDA but pilot C,D,E did not how or why should those pilots get anything or be moved senior to O’Dell? They can’t.

 

[A320 Driver]

REALITY OF USAIR PILOTS

http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/usair.htm

Now if you are going to stoop to digging up old mess lets look at a list of the folks east pilots have killed. I can play this game if thats your desire.

AWA320

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

You've hit a NEW LOW. Pat yourself on the back.

Driver B)

 

[Black Swan]

Exactly. The company right now is posing the same question to a federal judge regarding the binding arbitration process they agreed to in the Transition Agreement.

AQUA- you need to re read the difference between an internal union negotiating position/proposal and binding arbitration between an employer and a labor organization that signed an agreement with same. There is a big difference. The most significant area you should concentrate is reading about how a new representative body is not bound by the position of the former.

 

[AWA320]

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

You've hit a NEW LOW. Pat yourself on the back.

Driver B)

I got just as low as your usapa cheerleader bringing up 20yr drug running cases. I sincerely hope you sent him the very message you have taken the time to send me. Lets not go down this road because its not one in which you can win but hey that's never stopped and eastie now has it?

Oh and for the record the east hit an all time low the minute they went back on their word, you have zero honor in this profession my good man and have burned up any and all goodwill you had.

AWA320