US Pilots Labor Discussion

[sumadarson]

If you got something to say, say it. Making an accusation?

I have a chart that shows what tony was paid, compared to the rest of the airline industry since 1995. I am accusing tony of undercutting every airline pilots pay since he got hired, up to the point he became employed by the Usairways Corp.


tonys help for pilot wages since 1995

 

[sumadarson]

Oh yes, I am accusing tony of being a bad actor, in a very bad film. He is a 1989 hire, talking to a furloughed 2004 hire in the following west pilot video.

Earth to tony?

 

[nic4us]

I have a chart that shows what tony was paid, compared to the rest of the airline industry since 1995. I am accusing tony of undercutting every airline pilots pay since he got hired, up to the point he became employed by the Usairways Corp.


tonys help for pilot wages since 1995

What is it with east posters and the inability to understand a simple math concept called and average?

You do not have a chart of what Tony was paid, and you certainly did not post a link to the same.

The funniest thing about your post is, I would not accuse Tony of undercutting the industry until after he became employed by USAirways. But that is the east's fault, not Tony's.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Not from likes of you and MM, Master of Alliteration!

And as I have said many times before, I'm not him.....

Now, who are you not claiming to be? and our reply would be in like to yours, besides Buddy said you wouldn't! MM!

 

[East Hole]

Oh yes, I am accusing tony of being a bad actor, in a very bad film. He is a 1989 hire, talking to a furloughed 2004 hire in the following west pilot video.

Earth to tony?

So weird. Its the same guys in high school that would hang out in the AV department playing dungeons and dragons.

 

[nic4us]

There were a lot of pilots hired at that time. Do you have a point?

His point would be he wishes he could have Tony's seniority, and he is willing to steal it.

I am starting to wonder if he is also junior to "Gunny".

 

[sumadarson]

There were a lot of pilots hired at that time. Do you have a point?

Yes, he was hired by drug runners and those who crossed picket lines.

 

[sumadarson]

Oh yes, Arizona court, been there, done that.

"I watched Assistant U.S. Attorney James Lacey prosecute both rounds of this case. The three AMERICA WEST pilots had all plea bargained out. If they did not testify truthfully about the others in the case, they would be looking forward to serious time. Lacey prosecutes all the large narcotics cases in Arizona. Because he is the son of Frederic Lacey, the federal judge appointed by the Justice Department to be administrator of the Teamsters Union, Jim Lacey has unusual clout in the U.S. Attorney's office here. Although Lacey could not deny the pertinence of the information I gave him, it was clear that he did not want to know where this case ultimately led. I watched him play patty cake with the defendants when he should have been playing hard ball."

 

[sumadarson]

Has anyone heard from the Ffocus group lately? They were on here trying to help solve this and I have not seen them on this board lately.

 

[700UW]

Yes, he was hired by drug runners and those who crossed picket lines.

Just like the US Airways Pilots in 1992, who crossed the IAM Mechanic and Related Picket Line.

And just because several pilots were convicted doesnt make the rest of the group bad.

And what about the US pilot this year taking pics up a girl's skirt, with your logic all east pilots are perverts then too.

 

[BoeingBoy]

There is no DFR as of yet.

Yet USAPA keeps digging and I doubt they'll strike oil...

Jim

 

[AWA320]

Whoa there big fella, as far as DP never stalling your probably correct with all that crack negotiating team DP would never stall a contract! MM! http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/pressroom/pressreleases/2003/10-8-03_03.AWA4.htm

Wow!! I see you failed to read AGAIN!! What is said was why on earth would he wated money now on a DJ whne he could stall IN negotiations by saying no on several subjects.

AWA320

 

[traderjake]

Okay, I am not buying it, you east folks cannot be this dense.

Yep, usapa is a sly dog. Nobody can be that ignorant.

Many of them are that dense. The rest just pretend so they don't have to admit to being thieves.

 

[prechilill]

The frustration level is rising-
I think we can all agree that changing seniority at the whim of a union IS NOT like negotiating crew meals (my favorite quote from the rather robusk round faced, mustache wearing with a stupid look on his face individual who visited phoenix with his posse during the SAPs road show proclaiming as such). HA HA HA. How's that workin' out for ya guys? HOw is LOA snapback working out for ya guys? Do you see anything wrong with that arbitration too? Or is it too early to tell... have to wait for that decision to decide if it too was "flawed".
All of us out west understand quite well the level we are dealing with. The contempt, hate and contempt is reaching a feverish pitch and it only spells one thing: frustration of epic proportions. I especially enjoyed the dude that came on here with two years left proclaiming he is sticking with his AFOs, I think the nice old man's name was Bob. Well, Bob, NEWS FLASH: you don't have anything to lose with two years left: that ship has sailed. I mean, who on here actually thinks a contract will be signed in two years anyway? This is uSAPa were talking about! Almost three years into it and nothing to show for it- no DOH list, no contract, no LOA93 snapback, no MDA settlement, no pension resolution...
You guys out east must enjoy your eternal life inside a washing machine stuck forever on the spin cycle.

 

[Pilot692]

Okay, I am not buying it, you east folks cannot be this dense.

Have any of you seen crew meals, scope, pay rates, vacation, etc...mentioned in the TA?

Seniority, however is specifically mentioned in th TA. The process for combining our seniority was followed, as per the TA, The company accepted the results of that process, as per the TA.

A court most certainly can tell both usapa and the company which method to use, and usapa knows it. As a matter of fact, a court has already issued an injunction once, ordering usapa to use the Nic.

If there is ever another injunction it will order usapa and the company not only to use the Nic, it will also include the dollar amounts each owes to the West pilot class for their breach of contract and DFR.

That is why the company will not touch DOH. The company knows what the TA says, they know what they signed, they know the intent, cause and consequences regarding the TA.

So I am no longer buying the BS line from east posters that you truely believe you are getting DOH. It has become painfully obvious that usapa's only game plan is delay.

Now if usapa could only figure away to delay a contract and get better pay. hhmmm... I wonder if usapa is stupid enough to believe it has a chance of winning the LOA93 arbitration. I really doubt they are that dumb either. I mean why bother marching around in circles in BOS and PHL doing info picketing for a new contract, when LOA84 pay restoration is right around the corner.

Yep, usapa is a sly dog. Nobody can be that ignorant.



The "walking around in circles" in BOS was for the base closure. Did not the same occur in LAS? Or is it only "ignorant" when performed in an east base?