US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Reed Richards]

Now there is an interesting story! You guys must have really been worried about Bradford getting on the stand because he mysteriously "disappeared" from USAPA leadership a month early from the written terms of service as the Wizard of uSAPa. So yes, it came as a surprise to the whole pilot group that when the heat got turned up he scurried out of the spotlight in haste.

Yeah, I know. Guess you, Marty, and everyone there paid no attention to the election process that had been going on for months and months, including changes to the CBL. All members in good standing received mailings as well as emails detailing exactly what was going on. And when they voted it was right there in black and white, again. It was an historic time, the second election of union Officers by the pilots a large. It brings a tear to my eyes just thinking about it.

What did Bradford do, "scurry" into his den from the kitchen to watch TV with his family? You crack me up. Your legal team really, embarrassingly blew that one. Steve's term ended and he went back home and back to the line on a well published date certain. If I had seen him I would have given him a high five. Maybe you should have sent Tommy Lee Jones after him. A lowly law clerk could have executed a proper summons in better form.

Like I said, you guys and gals were so busy hating USAPA you forgot to pay attention. I still don’t think some of you are.

Here we be.

RR

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Sorry, had to give Mr. Parker a swimming lesson............going Christmas shopping will continue when I have nothing better to do (which may be awhile)...so maybe, could be I repeated a myth? If so, I do apologize if it got your dander up.

But aside from an illegal job action......or.......something externally happening from God knows where.............what are your expectations from relief of your LOA93 contract?

Are you reps being honest and like ours, saying 1.5-2.5 years from now?

I expect to be lovin' life, just as I do now. I can assure you that it won't involve anything illegal.

Yes, you repeated a myth. One I've seen over and over again on here. There are others, and it's my intention to straighten them out when I see them.

 

[mikey60]

"We all will have known, that few... stood against many"

What a journey- God this has been great! AOL is truly a noble cause, a fight against an anti-union union. I will always be proud of my titanium and it will never leave my uniform- a symbol of our unity after the east tried to sucker punch us with their trailer park tactics.
And after the east collapses, if any of these angry fo's give me one problem when I call for a checklist I am grabbing them by the collar and hauling their unprofessional geriatric behinds into the CPO. The buck stops here.

Here is a candidate for Grande Mesa Air, maybe a capt in ten of twenty years.

 

[cleardirect]

I'll answer that when you tell me when the west guys and the company are going to stop filing frivolous lawsuits. You see, that has EVERYTHING to do with it.

I called you a "writer of fiction". Take that as you like. I'm not being provocative. I'm asking you to prove the statements you are making that I know to be incorrect and inflammatory. So, what are you waiting for?

And a proposed "timeline" is by no means a promise.

Would you mind naming the frivolous lawsuits? RICO? That was filed by usapa and failed miserably. That could be considered frivolous. The Addington was won on the merit. NOT a frivolous case. The company suit is still waiting for the judge to decide. So not a frivolous case. Other than your opinion what case are you talking about?

When is usapa going to start acting like a union and stop the action that causes legit law suit to be filed?

 

[trevrep]

I expect to be lovin' life, just as I do now. I can assure you that it won't involve anything illegal.

Yes, you repeated a myth. One I've seen over and over again on here. There are others, and it's my intention to straighten them out when I see them.

Well Oldie.....just got this email from Scott Theuer that says they did promise to attempt an industry contract within six months.

That was their promise.....not exactly promising a new contract but a promise to attempt. Why choose six months? They must have thought they could do it, or just a sales pitch? You be the judge.

Here's the email response when I asked Scott the question "did USAPA promise to attempt to get us all an industry contract in six months?" and his reply below:


"Attempt"? Absolutely. Promise to get? Never. Takes two to tango *****, and with furloughs and a recession starting Mar 08, the Company has been less than interested. Things are changing.

Good to hear from you.


Captain Scott Theuer | Communications Chairman
US Airline Pilots Association | Representing the Pilots of US Airways

Office: 704.936.4500 | Mobile: 980.875.7629 | USAirlinePilots.org

 

[mikey60]

Ok glad you posted this. Last night I do a flight to DTW and I have none other than senior VP Doug Kerr on board. As is the case with all senior management they come up front to talk for a while prior to push. So I ask Kerr how he likes dealing with usapa and he rolls his eyes. Now I thought this to be kinda funny seeing as how they are able to roll usapa like bugle boy cigatettes. I say to him "you have got to know that the court cant offer you indemnity against us if we sue". I was absolutly floored by his response. He stated "Yes we know that and we have no intention of using anything other than the NIC UNLESS the court tells us we have to". I ask if him if attorney Jackson was still company house council to which he responded yes. I said what did he say about this? Well without going too far "we have NO INTENTION OF USING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NIC UNLESS THE COURT TELL US WE HAVE TO"!! I said ok Doug I hear you loud and clear on that and that's my thought as well.

AWA320

Well I had the Pope on a flight I was doing to Rome tuesday and as usual he gave us a blessing and said he heard the East will get DOH.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Would you mind naming the frivolous lawsuits? RICO? That was filed by usapa and failed miserably. That could be considered frivolous. The Addington was won on the merit. NOT a frivolous case. The company suit is still waiting for the judge to decide. So not a frivolous case. Other than your opinion what case are you talking about?

When is usapa going to start acting like a union and stop the action that causes legit law suit to be filed?

Doesn't even deserve a response. The Addington was NOT won. It never happened, legally speaking. Except of course, if you include the Ninth's opinion which states that another DFR can't be filed until the contract is RATIFIED. Big victory for somebody, not you.

The RICO suit, while dismissed, did have the effect of stopping the childish actions of some. No more feces was shipped and no more phones jamming the Union Safety Hotline. So in those respects ot was a victory for USAPA.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Well Oldie.....just got this email from Scott Theuer that says they did promise to attempt an industry contract within six months.

That was their promise.....not exactly promising a new contract but a promise to attempt. Why choose six months? They must have thought they could do it, or just a sales pitch? You be the judge.

Here's the email response when I asked Scott the question "did USAPA promise to attempt to get us all an industry contract in six months?" and his reply below:


"Attempt"? Absolutely. Promise to get? Never. Takes two to tango *****, and with furloughs and a recession starting Mar 08, the Company has been less than interested. Things are changing.

Good to hear from you.


Captain Scott Theuer | Communications Chairman
US Airline Pilots Association | Representing the Pilots of US Airways

Office: 704.936.4500 | Mobile: 980.875.7629 | USAirlinePilots.org

Well then, looks like maybe an apology is in order. Well, go ahead, I'm listening.

 

[cleardirect]

The company and the CEO, Doug Parker, are stalling negotiations.

What are you and your fellow west pilots doing to support your pilot group in getting a contract?

You blame the company for stalling. Yet your shiny new union that was going to show the world how it is done. Continues to hand Parker an on time airline. That is going to show him who is in charge. That will motivate him to get you boys a better contract.

What is the west doing to get you a better contract. This is the east folly. All you guys. Designed and voted in by you. Staffed by the east. Section decided by the east. NAC all east. We have nothing to do with this mess. Besides the way usapa has been gutting the good stuff of our contract we are better off staying right where we are. so when you say "your pilot group" usapa is all about the east and nothing for the west so it is not our pilot group.

Enjoy LOA 93 you all can retire on it for all I or any west guy cares. We have min block hours. usapa will give that away. We have PBS, usapa wants to give that away. Lower health costs, usapa will give that away. A contract brought by usapa. No thanks you east guys have given away enough stuff over your careers you don't need to reach in my pocket.

 

[cleardirect]

Doesn't even deserve a response. The Addington was NOT won. It never happened, legally speaking. Except of course, if you include the Ninth's opinion which states that another DFR can't be filed until the contract is RATIFIED. Big victory for somebody, not you.

The RICO suit, while dismissed, did have the effect of stopping the childish actions of some. No more feces was shipped and no more phones jamming the Union Safety Hotline. So in those respects ot was a victory for USAPA.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to get through the day.

 

[mikey60]

What ever! Threaten me again like that and you will find out just who I am!! Dont like what I have to say FINE leave it there but your threats I will NOT tolerate period!!!

AWA320

Well shiver my timbers, I think I'll go hide. BANG.....(sound of fallout shelter door closing rapidly)

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Here's an honest question for you: Have you from day one paid your dues to USAPA?

What difference does it make to the discussion as to whether he did or didn't. And if he didn't, what are you going to do about it ...run to "Uncle Mikey " and have him send out another Section 29 letter ? Go ahead. Out west we consider them a badge of honor.

cv

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Your credibility has been lost, sir.

If that is indeed the case, then Id say he would make a most excellent eastie dont'cha think ??? 😉

cv

 

[sumadarson]

You blame the company for stalling. Yet your shiny new union that was going to show the world how it is done. Continues to hand Parker an on time airline. That is going to show him who is in charge. That will motivate him to get you boys a better contract.

What is the west doing to get you a better contract. This is the east folly. All you guys. Designed and voted in by you. Staffed by the east. Section decided by the east. NAC all east. We have nothing to do with this mess. Besides the way usapa has been gutting the good stuff of our contract we are better off staying right where we are. so when you say "your pilot group" usapa is all about the east and nothing for the west so it is not our pilot group.

Enjoy LOA 93 you all can retire on it for all I or any west guy cares. We have min block hours. usapa will give that away. We have PBS, usapa wants to give that away. Lower health costs, usapa will give that away. A contract brought by usapa. No thanks you east guys have given away enough stuff over your careers you don't need to reach in my pocket.

What have the West pilots done to help Usairways pilots get a new contract? That was my original question responding to your post asking why USAPA has not produced a contract. You signed off during this like a coward and this victim mentality produced, evasive and cut and past dung above is all you could come up with.

You are the problem sir, not the solution of your inquiry on why USAPA has no success to date for a new contract.

The flight attendants have not had much luck lately with your america west produced, does not have enough sense not to drive drunk, like his pilots do not have enough sense to fly the same, CEO Doug Parker.

My linkEast AFA served the company with a notice of intent to enter into Section 6 negotiations pursuant to the East Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The Railway Labor Act governs Section 6 negotiations. The process is very "legal" and formal. An Eline next week will detail the Section 6 process and the Union's intentions.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

The RICO suit, while dismissed, did have the effect of stopping the childish actions of some. No more feces was shipped and no more phones jamming the Union Safety Hotline. So in those respects ot was a victory for USAPA.

No named defendant in that Rico suit did either one of those things. Here is a quote straight from Judge Reidingers dismal with predjudice of the Rico suit:

"Once again, the Plaintiff does not allege
these acts to have been committed by any named Defendant, but only “by
the Defendants and their co-consirators.”

What usapa did was round up a bunch of guys that posted various things one a web board and a few who called the recorded hotline, and trashed their names and reputations, and put them through hell over nothing.

Individuals who had literally done nothing, were being sued by usapa with it's relatively unlimited stream of money(dues). We've all seen how expensive the court process alone is, let alone the hundreds of thousands of dollars a month damages usapa sought, plus lawyer fees, plus Rico charges making all of that times 3 had it been awarded.

Usapa sold it as a defensive move, and blamed the named defendants for everything under the sun, but that is decidedly not what that Rico suit was all about.