US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

BTW, any of you easties have any doubt the west can easily prove usapa was formed in part to undo the nic. and establish doh to favor the east? If you do, you need to rethink your stance. Videos, emails, attorney letters, lanyards etc. we have them all and ready to be admitted into evidence again. There is no question why you formed usapa, that my friends is undeniable, and it doesn't go away when and if you ratify a contract with something other than the Nic.

The 9th has told the West when they can have a court session to try to prove harm. In the meantime, there are two parties that must bargain, and though the 9th could have easily allowed judicial intervention to remain a factor in the bargaining process (if they thought it expedient or acceptable), but instead they took an extraordinary action to extricate the courts. If a new court seeks to interject de facto injunctions again after the 9th removed them, then they might want to carefully understand the premise upon which the 9th removed the injunction in the first place.

 

[fodase]

. If a new court seeks to interject de facto injunctions again after the 9th removed them, then they might want to carefully understand the premise upon which the 9th removed the injunction in the first place.

You see this should have been over with addington, but the company decided to not be part of it so the 9th didn't take their position into consideration. So now we have the company involved and the judge is saying that the company's involvement makes this case different and ripe. Interestingly, usapa proved the company right when they filed status quo violation suit in New York. Do you not agree that companies involvement in the DJ makes this a different case?

 

[mrbreeze]

I know

Fodase,

You got a smile out of me on that one.

Thanks for dropping the name calling, we all appreciate that.

 

[A320 Driver]

Sure, but not after the fact. You should have votede in usapa prior to the merger,




Alpa wasn't allowed to present a ratifiable contract because the east pulled out of negotiations to prevent one from seeing the light of day, you know this and it has been proven in court. Remember there is a paper trail a mile long proving this, you know it and we know it. We have sworn testimony where the phl reps were scared that the east would vote in the nic. with the proposed pay rates back in 2007 and their solution was to pull out.



So your union creates an impasse and then wants a do over because the impasse they created benefits the majority at the expense of the minority, you don't think thats a dfr?

I suppose you could make anything a DFR. I want to see the NIC put on trial... a failed solution from a paradigm long since past. I'm not saying DOH IS the solution, but neither is the NIC. If it weren't so lopsided, you wouldn't fight for it so hard. You are not struggling against DOH as much as you are trying to usher in the NIC.

Driver B)

 

[traderjake]

If it weren't so lopsided, you wouldn't fight for it so hard. You are not struggling against DOH as much as you are trying to usher in the NIC.

Driver B)

The only place it's appears lopsided in the warped minds of USAPA supporters.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row prove it.

Slotting by equipment and status is fair and DOH is not.

 

[A320 Driver]

The only place it's appears lopsided in the warped brains of USAPA supporters.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row prove it.

Slotting by equipment and status is fair and DOH is not.

As I stated before, had the airline's dynamic not changed so dramatically prior to the award coming out, there would not have been such an outcry. It was outdated before it was even presented. It brought out the worst in our pilot group...on BOTH sides.

THAT is what I call a failure.

Driver B)

 

[fodase]

I know

Fodase,

You got a smile out of me on that one.

Thanks for dropping the name calling, we all appreciate that.

I only dropped it because some here wanted me to use it ;0

 

[Phoenix]

The only place it's appears lopsided in the warped brains of USAPA supporters.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row prove it.

Slotting by equipment and status is fair and DOH is not.

Each bargaining circumstance is unique and it is not possible to tell if a union abided by their DFR until the whole bargaining process is complete, our entertaining debates or name calling posts here on this board not withstanding.

 

[Phoenix]

I only dropped it because some here wanted me to use it ;0

Reverse psychology. You were manipulated.

 

[nevergiveup]

Each bargaining circumstance is unique and it is not possible to tell if a union abided by their DFR until the whole bargaining process is complete, our entertaining debates or name calling posts here on this board not withstanding.

Ignoring years of service is unfair as well!

 

[fodase]

I suppose you could make anything a DFR. I want to see the NIC put on trial... a failed solution from a paradigm long since past. I'm not saying DOH IS the solution, but neither is the NIC. If it weren't so lopsided, you wouldn't fight for it so hard. You are not struggling against DOH as much as you are trying to usher in the NIC.

Driver B)

You should have done just that, in fact the east mec sued the west and that was the proper venue to see if there was any wrong doing, now it's to late. I am curious how you think the Nic. will be put on trial? I mean the question of Nic. fairness or doh fairness can not be answered in our litigation. I would like to know how you think that is possible?

 

[fodase]

Ignoring years of service is unfair as well!

So? are you saying that all usapa is doing is correcting the Nic. awards shortcomings in the easts view?

 

[traderjake]

Ignoring years of service is unfair as well!

Which means more, actually holding a Captain's position or 17 years trying to become a Captain?

 

[Barrister]

The only place it's appears lopsided in the warped minds of USAPA supporters.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row prove it.

Slotting by equipment and status is fair and DOH is not.

Real glad you didn't mind having a 6 year guy senior to your 16 years.
1300 on top of you and most decades younger.
You got some underlying issue....want to enlighten us??????????????

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[fodase]

As I stated before, had the airline's dynamic not changed so dramatically prior to the award coming out, there would not have been such an outcry. It was outdated before it was even presented. It brought out the worst in our pilot group...on BOTH sides.

THAT is what I call a failure.

Driver B)

Have you thought this thru? The reason this happen is that you guys were constantly lied to by the same guys you have in usapa lying to you right now. I closely followed the arbitration hearings. Every day the west MC would release the actual transcripts for the day, on the east Dean Collelo would write his opinion of what transpired, and his take on a daily basis was simple "we won again today!". You guys never saw the transcript and the majority of you guys never read the Nic. and have no clue how it truly affects you. You have elected a union that constantly lies and constantly tells you what you want to hear. But to get back to your point here, you want a do over after your fortunes have improved.