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Hey Zone5,

What is your opinion about a post like this:


Totally uncalled for, irrelevant, tasteless. Way too much of this sort of thing on this board, from both camps!

Gentlemen and Ladies, please stop this, it serves no purpose outside of removing any and all credibility from the posters of such.

seajay
 
OK. Enough of this B*llsh1t!

flypg and V, you are obviously the ignorant retard, not traderjake. He may not have been there but he definitely has it right. Let me TELL you exactly what it was like, from the grandson of man with REAL integrity, who WAS there. Straight from his lips in first person.

My grandfather was drafted into the German army and fought on the Russian front until becoming a prisoner of war in Russia... and survived to find his family in refugee camps in Austria (a fate not shared by many soldiers who were POW's in Russia) before immigrating to the US in '52. If he were alive today and in the same room as you, he's kick your pathetic a$$ right into last week for YOUR ignorance.

The German soldiers who knew the difference between right and wrong, like him, did not blindly follow the marching orders of their superiors in the name of solidarity with their fellow soldiers. He did not buy into the propaganda fed to him by superiors. And he had enough time in confinement to prove it. German soldiers like him, who questioned the party line were not treated like teachers pets. Sound familiar to you? It should. His loyalty to the German army and his fellow soldiers went only so far as to avoid a firing squad, so he could return to his family. He was not a Nazi or ever near any concentration camps, but he saw the writing on the wall. He knew very well what the right and wrong thing to do was. He was released by the Russians at the wars end by pretending very convincingly to be Slavic. He did not proudly wear his German identity on his sleeve BECAUSE he knew they were wrong.

So you can take your perceived sense of righteousness, and your analogy of the German soldier's loyalty and what USAPA is doing and stuff it. You are not only ignorant, but an embarrassment to anyone with real sense of right and wrong. Pilot or not. Many real German soldiers knew they were on the wrong side of right. So do USAPA members. It takes REAL courage to admit it rather than blindly follow the leader.

You were spinning for alpa and now your nazi grandpa.

Patton is rolling over in his grave.

your grandpa was smart waving the white flag so early.

my favorite speech
 
You know Traitor; I may have been mistaken. You may understand the concept of mutual support. Unfortunately, you, like CM have thrown your support to the enemy and make no mistake; we are at war. We are at war with the company and we are at war with the West.

You constantly talk about blind following and you like to compare Cleary to Hitler. Utter nonsense. Then you want to chastise those that follow Cleary.

Well, news to you and yours. Many of us actually believe in our leadership, even if it is not perfect. We believe that the intent is correct and that nothing illegal and certainly nothing that would be considered an atrocity has occured. So far as I know, the gas chambers are still idle.

When I look at your treacherous behavior towards your own I am reminded of one line from Article 4 of the American Fighting Mans Code of Conduct. While I do not want to take it too far out of context as it applies specifically to the Code should one of our own become a POW, the line in itself is very clear and should be recognized . Let me repeat it for you:

....I will give no information, or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades....

You, traitor, like CM, consistently provide instruction and support to the enemy. That in my book is betrayal and should be dealt with as sedition. That is why I tell you to retire or to quit and rejoin their forces as your betrayal is harmful to all of us that have to fight your battles. One thing I can say for the West as I have said before. They do stick together on these issues and you don't see them betraying their own.

OK now, bring it on. Lets start to put as much spin on this as you can muster.


V

From the looks of things and your over the top post the only thing you are at war with is yourself.

Cleary would probably agree with you on the "at war with the West" thing. Ever here of a unions duty of fair representation? It is there to keep maggots like Sumanderson, Bradford, Mowery and Cleary from trying to do what Seeham told you blind morons usapa would be capable of doing. Seeham was dead wrong, you are not going to be able to scab the West's jobs.

The only betrayal that has occured is the usapa supporting majority's betrayal of their own integrity.
 
ITT NEWS (SAFETY FOOTBALL): June 15, 2011

West pilots are NOT onboard Cleary's temper tantrum illegal job action disguised as safety.

By politicizing safety, USAPA has crossed an invisible line which will forever signify its total loss of credibility. However, not satisfied with just destroying this long standing taboo, USAPA is inciting its members to break the law in engaging in work slowdown outside of the Railway Labor Act which regulate such a thing. To be clear, the West pilots are at odd with management over some training compensation and do not consider the matter closed but in no way will attempt to put 30,000 employees out of a job to assuage USAPA President Mike Cleary temper tantrum.


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"Your grandfather was a gutless swine who stood by while the concentration camps proliferated. He was only concerned with his own well being. This explains your allegiance to alpa. You were not provided with a better example than your pathetic, I've got mine, nazi grandpa."

Your grandfather is not responsible for anything that showed courage or provided peace in this world. Get over it. You should be ashamed of your heritage.

The courts will decide this in USAPA's favor, get over it.

your are an alpa shill, but not a nazi shill like your grandpa.

Hey maggot....c'mon...pick me....

'99 hire...what a joke....

I would not be surprised to find that your family all got their discharge from section 8.

Well actually I would be surprised, because that would mean a cowards family was actually fit for service in the first place.
 
Ignorance is not bliss. Ignore the human tragedy that is unfolding in your own back yard. After all, the East seems to have a penchant for:

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The reality is that your fellow pilots are suffering thanks to the mistruths, propaganda and outright lies of the angry minority who hijacked the joint contract process that would have avoided this. If you think Capt. Aherns is an aberration, just wait until the truth comes out on LOA93. I'll wager there'll be a lot more of that happening which truly is sad...and revolting. SCREW YOU USAPA DOH/LEE SEHAM/CLEARY SUPPORTERS. THIS TRAGEDY IS ALL YOURS.

This board has turned into a real sewer.
 
Are you guys ever capable of telling the truth? F/A support for Leonidas is widespread. We all know it's a waiting game, and time is something the East doesn't have. Witness: Aherns. He's frustrated to the point that he acts out of character. Wait until LOA93 is released and then the fireworks will really begin. The West has nothing to do with it at this point. The East put themselves in the untenable position they are now in, and only the East can get them out.

Are you not capable of reading a post. I never said a thing about AOL. Go back and read it again slowly....
 
your are an alpa shill, but not a nazi shill like your grandpa.
Poor sumadarson. Nothing but ineffective name calling and flame bait.

Will he ever figure out that he is considered an irrelevant internet troll around here, even by the east?

If those comments came from anything above pond scum, they might be considered offensive. Coming from him... not so much. One needs only to consider the source.
 
Hey maggot....c'mon...pick me....

'99 hire...what a joke....

I would not be surprised to find that your family all got their discharge from section 8.

Well actually I would be surprised, because that would mean a cowards family was actually fit for service in the first place.
Don't waste your keystrokes on my account. Best not to feed the troll. No one cares about him. Least of all me.
 
Not correct. I never, ever posted anything of the kind.

seajay

I think he's mistaking you for Jetjock, who I think posted he was hired by the west in 84, and soon after went to the east. At least that's my recollection from these boards.
 
Absolutely.

I'm gone!

In true cowardice form - create a mess for others and then throw up your hands and leave.

Look in the mirror and you'll see another part of the problem along with your false-USAPA-GOd worshiper A320Driver. Any more lies you want to spew on your fellow pilots about how great LOA93 is, how the Nic is dead, how the West will be crushed, how Parker is sure to exchange DOH for a "cost neutral" contract? Maybe you should explain it to Mrs. Ahrens how it was a good thing for her husband to support USAPA, forego a $40k+ payraise four years ago to support the Cleary/Mowery/Parella/DiOrio crusade. That additional money would have gone a long way in paying down the $221k capt Aherns owed on his mortgage that he has now defaulted on.

Jacka$$.
 
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