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Wrong again. Old habits die hard don't they?

Keep believing those lies from AOL. I found another one in the media packet I will share when I get time. See if you can find it. :lol:

Hmmm... that's exactly what Bradford (your fellow AFO) said in a letter which is admitted as evidence in a federal court.
Is it dark in that hole you keep your head in?
 
Hmmm... that's exactly what Bradford (your fellow AFO) said in a letter which is admitted as evidence in a federal court.
Is it dark in that hole you keep your head in?

Show me. Show me where he say he did it because he didn't get DOH. Another lie.

It not as dark as where you have your head stuck! And not a F/O sweetie. I know that makes you mad, but the FACTS!
 
January 1, 2010 pay rates per Restructuring Agreement:
12th year Captain Rate 12th year F/O rate

A330--------$222.26 A330------$152.22
Group 1----$201.35 Group 1---$137.52
Group 2----$174.85 Group 2---$119.42


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So this is the rate that you think you guys are going back to if you win LOA 93?

So taking an 18% cut on 222.26 is $182.25. How do you think the arbitrator is going to go from 160 for a 330 to 222.26 when it clearly says an 18% reduction? The rate is currently $160.00?

It is does not say what rate ti goes to you do not get it. IT really is that simple.

Enjoy LOA 93.
 
Thank you! You quote exactly what Hollerbach failed to read. Nowhere is the word AMENDABLE used, the LOA93 rates EXPIRE 12/31/2009. BIG DIFFERENCE. Had the term AMENDABLE been used, we wouldn't even have gone to Kasher for this arb. The LOA93 rates EXPIRE 12/31/2009, at which time we return to the UNDERLYING LOA84 rate structure that (I hate to say this) Don B. actually got right this time.

Hollerbach also fails miserably in the prediction of the shortest arbitration in history LOL!
Effective Date: This Agreement shall be effective upon ratification as determined by
the Association and the signature of the Association’s President.

Duration: Amendable date December 31, 2009.


Other terms of 1998
Agreement, as
amended:
Other than as specifically modified in these documents, all terms
and conditions of the ALPA-US Airways Collective Bargaining
Agreement effective January 1, 1998, as amended, shall remain in
full force and effect.

Cleary stated AMENDABLE date. So now you agree that the grievance should not have gone to Kasher?
 
We gave our word to follow the guidelines that Alpa put forth. We feel that the guidelines were not followed. If someone is found guilty of lets say armed robbery. While he's in jail his lawyer finds evidance that proves he is innocent........should he just rot in jail because one judge says Guilty?

Man;
Here's the problem: ALPA did everything in it's power to make sure that there was no maleficence or inappropriate proceedings as per the AAA MEC's request. Further, while NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO, we met on three separate occasions to try to listen to your concerns (again all your MEC showed up with was DATE OF HIRE!). YOUR perception that the award was not fair (or guidelines not followed), does not make this proceeding null & void.

You are spending your money (& MY MONEY) trying to dodge a final and binding award that followed the guidelines prescribed by ALPA. The AAA MEC's attempt to swing for the fences (DOH) and NOT put in CONSTRUCTIVE input to the arbitrator is your MEC's fault. Had you argued length of service a lot more than DOH, you may have been placed further up on the list.

The LAW is on our side, and ultimately the Nicolau Award will be the list used in the joint contract. In the meantime YOU are enabling LCC & Parker. You and the other USAPA supporters are giving HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars to the LCC bottom line.

Tick Tock
 
No dog in this fight, huh? Yeah, right. Not related to metroyet, the angriest non-US pilot around, are you?

Right after all these years i decide to come to this forum, please, i already stated my position, i am not going to post over and over again for weeks to come, just the general interest, however when i see usapa press releases i may comment, i have nothing to do with us air.

Example of my interests, the candidate obama bothes his release of birth documents, then he botched the release a second time, i started to research this topic because the new governor of hawaii in dec 2010 stated it was his number one priority to release the documents, then two weeks later he stated that it was no longer his priority, i found the whole thing to be odd, so instead of just believing the media, i did the research on my own just out of curioustiy. I have never heard of any state that provides computer generated birth certificates, (maybe that is the norm now?) I have a copy of my original I thought everyone did. Seems to me computer generated documents and not copies of originals are creating an environment for possible fraud, just my opinion. So the whole Obama birth certifcate situation just seems odd, so I was curious, finally after years the President finally released his origninal long form, hmm what do you know. Seemed odd to me that he just did not just release everything at the beginning. End of story but riddle solved. I was interested is all so i researched just like usapa.

So what does this have to do with my interest in usapa, well i flew out of philadelphia a few weeks ago, saw protest about contract for pilots, so i started to look up information out of curiosity, i believe usapa was not protesting in truth, because it appears that parker CANT negotiate because of liability due to NIC. sure enough usapa will not release press release stating they lost motion on june 1st aprox, even though they issued press release for motion on may 31. it was all over the google.

So once again I have no dog in this fight, i will post a few more times, and comment about the process along the way and that is about it. i am not going to be here day after day week after week, i am not that curious. my point is clear, and the courts position is clear, you will lose, but first many thousands might lose their jobs, the long term prosperity of the company is diminished because of your actions.

Again you guys just dont get it, conventional wisdom (true?) believes that merger is the way to go and because of usapa actions these deals were not done, and may not get done, this jeopardizes thousands of peoples jobs, but you guys dont see it, or dont care. You were bankrupt, almost chapter 7 except for white knights, you just dont see it, you agreed to arbitration than broke your word
 
agreed!

How is DOH not a windfall for the east?

Our side agrees that the NIC is a windfall for the West and your side agrees that DOH is a windfall for the East. You and I have cleared this up for everyone tuning in..............I think you and I should get some sort of retainer fee for our work this morning. B)
 
Thank you! You quote exactly what Hollerbach failed to read. Nowhere is the word AMENDABLE used, the LOA93 rates EXPIRE 12/31/2009. BIG DIFFERENCE. Had the term AMENDABLE been used, we wouldn't even have gone to Kasher for this arb. The LOA93 rates EXPIRE 12/31/2009, at which time we return to the UNDERLYING LOA84 rate structure that (I hate to say this) Don B. actually got right this time.

Hollerbach also fails miserably in the prediction of the shortest arbitration in history LOL!

All wishful thinking on your part.

Your only way to a raise is via Nic. Hollerbach has it right. You guys are in for years of LOA93.
 
So what does this have to do with my interest in usapa, well i flew out of philadelphia a few weeks ago, saw protest about contract for pilots, so i started to look up information out of curiosity, i believe usapa was not protesting in truth, because it appears that parker CANT negotiate because of liability due to NIC. sure enough usapa will not release press release stating they lost motion on june 1st aprox, even though they issued press release for motion on may 31. it was all over the google.

It appears Parker can't negotiate? or Parker doesn't want to negotiate?

Parker and company can go ahead and finish negotiating every section of the contract and wait to see what happens in court on section22...the problem is they have absolutely no desire whatsoever to have a pilot contract. Why would they? At this point they're saving money. They will drag it out as long as possible, it's their modus operandi.

Unless something happens...LOA93 win, Merger opportunity that can't be passed up....they are in no rush to spend money.
Watch it play out....
 
Benefit greatly?!?! Bullshit. Only ones benefitting would be you guts.

I enjoy watching you idiots wallow in the filth you created. You talk tough but you guys are burning out fast on those bankruptcy wages. You thought you'd show Doug how things were done but he's kept you under his thumb for years. You guys have nothing to show after all these years.

You seem a bit touchy. Sounds like LOA93 is getting to you as well.

If you don't want to rehash this then f off. Blackswan needs the education.

Can't wait to watch reality hit you guys square in the nuts.
Black Swan schooled you. You didn't have one factual argument.
 
All wishful thinking on your part.

Your only way to a raise is via Nic. Hollerbach has it right. You guys are in for years of LOA93.
We will take the LOA 93. Especially when Kasher kills them with the pay restoration. You will be smokin when that happens. :lol:
 
So this is the rate that you think you guys are going back to if you win LOA 93?

So taking an 18% cut on 222.26 is $182.25. How do you think the arbitrator is going to go from 160 for a 330 to 222.26 when it clearly says an 18% reduction? The rate is currently $160.00?

It is does not say what rate ti goes to you do not get it. IT really is that simple.

Enjoy LOA 93.
Thanks! We will. Especially at those rates! :lol:
 
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