US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

You must have been into your shine sumthin fierce because me an yew wur talkin sum smak dat i knuw u'd regret!

Oh man..........I was warned about that Demon Rum! 🙄

 

[Black Swan]

Is this what happens at the donations rally?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SOz4YX6n30

 

[Res Judicata]

They represent me, but they don't VOTE for me! They form commitees, but they don't bind me under the major agreements we have control over NOW unless and until we have a vote. ALPA allowed the MECs to negotiate side letters that bound the rank and file in the past but we changed that and oh, side letters can ALWAYS be amended INCLUDING SENIORITY!

ALPA, USAPA, Teamsters, etc. NEGOTIATE for a CBA on all of our behalf. They CANNOT bind you. THAT IS THE WAY THIS WORKS as the Ninth Circuit says:

"Although absence of a CBA might be evidence of a DFR violation, if the violation were based on deliberate delay by the union, it is not evidence of a union’s improper preference of one seniority system over another. As demonstrated by ALPA’s similar difficulties in reaching a CBA, the pilot groups, and individual pilots with their ratification/nonratification powers, are the major contributors to the absence of a CBA in these circumstances.

I am claiming here that IF & WHEN a CBA becomes availible for you & I and every other pilot on the premises WHO ARE MIGS get to vote to ratify or not ratify the CBA they negotiated. Every pilot on this property, save YOU understand that.

NO VOTE, NO COMBINED LIST. Keep living in the dream world. You guys keep suiing and keep losing.

Good luck.

"We find for the Plaintiffs"

Addington JURY.

Good Luck with the spin.

 

[traderjake]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/05/20110705phoenix-dust-storm-abrk.html

Giant dust cloud closes PHX.

 

[SparrowHawk]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/05/20110705phoenix-dust-storm-abrk.html

Giant dust cloud closes PHX.

Must have been all the hot Air from this topic that caused it

 

[nevergiveup]

That is an easy question. That liability transfers to the teamsters. The new union takes any responsibilities and liabilities. Just like usapa an arbitrated decision does not just go away with the changing of a name. Damages does not just go away if you change bargaining agents.

So if anyone thinks that the teamsters are going to jump at the chance to represent US Air pilots without some serious thought they better think again. This usapa experiment is not going to get to do 3-4-5 years of damage and walk away. Some one is going to be held responsible.

What if they file bankruptcy?

 

[mrbreeze]

Oh man..........I was warned about that Demon Rum! 🙄

I know what you mean....I live with that Demon, too. Really loosens up the keyboard late at night....especially after a red eye.
😉

breeze

 

[mikey60]

We agree on that. Let me know.

PI you have to take a camera maybe one with a wide lens. We want pictures.....we want pictures......we want pictures and dont forget your filters...

 

[prechilill]

To all the USAPians around here... do you really know who I am? Do you really think you know? :unsure:

 

[mrbreeze]

To all the USAPians around here... do you really know who I am? Do you really think you know? :unsure:

As for me, not a clue. I do not try to figure out who each person is. I hope you weren't offended by the comment to Pibrat about your phone number.....no offense to you...just giving him some crap for his loose night of talk. No disrespect intended. 🙂

breeze

 

[prechilill]

As for me, not a clue. I do not try to figure out who each person is. I hope you weren't offended by the comment to Pibrat about your phone number.....no offense to you...just giving him some crap for his loose night of talk. No disrespect intended. 🙂

breeze

None taken, you have always come across as a very decent individual. Have a good evening

 

[Crzipilot]

None taken, you have always come across as a very decent individual. Have a good evening

there is entirely too much niceness going on around here....can we get back to the normal #### throwing? More entertaining than the, tea party for 2 dialogue going on.... though if such dialogue causes someone to get laid....well continue on....

 

[mrbreeze]

there is entirely too much niceness going on around here....can we get back to the normal #### throwing? More entertaining than the, tea party for 2 dialogue going on.... though if such dialogue causes someone to get laid....well continue on....

 

[cleardirect]

What if they file bankruptcy?

They who? usapa or teamsters?

I will assume that you are talking about usapa. How or why would usapa declare bankruptcy? They still have dues coming in every month. They would have to cut back on the legal costs and maybe cut out some if the FPL but it can be done. No reason to file BK.

Now if there is a big damages cost to the union there are a couple ways to pay that back. Give the west pilots a dues holiday for the next several years. Assess the east pilots. Adjust the contract so that some of the contract money is shifted to the west pilots. Maybe a b scale for east pilot until the damages are paid.

But declaring BK. Not likely.

 

[usabusdriver]

... Why is the date there? And even more importantly of why the dates are so important, ESPECIALLY the start date,(even more than the end date) clearly 5/01/04 is this: This is the START point. They could not reach earlier into the contract to achieve the lower pay rate. Did that FREEZE start any other date? NO. Why not? It had that date. An east pilot looked at his W-2 and saw the cut started on that date.
... as that is the date the cuts started, then how can they arbitrarily blow off the Dec 31 2009 as some date that means nothing? They can't! It has absolute meaning as does the first date, when something drastic started.Something drastic ended.
... We got Parker by the short ones on Dec 31 2009, and most of us knew it. You have a nice day clear.

BS,

Seems we have had this discussion before.

Um, better check the date on LOA 93.

Signed 10/22/2004, NOT 5/1/2004.

5/1 is the annual pay increase date from LOA 84.

No one got their pay cut on 5/1/2004.

Sort of blows your logic above out of the water now doesn't it? :huh:



Is that better Crzipilot? ^_^