US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Is an airport design flaw only a safety issue after it causes an accident or incident? For that matter is any safety issue a problem only after it causes an accident or was it an accident waiting to happen? Thats why we have asap/event reports.


Bob

Just because you think it is a safety issue does not make it a safety issue. I believe you guys all thought that flows were a safety issue. Even though almost every other airline uses them. You guys thought that Cactus call sign was a safety issue. So far not a single airplane has had an accident.

So now it is OK to stop something before it happens. The courts have determined that until damage occurs it is not RIPE!. But you guys think you know before it happens.

Event reports are filed AFTER the event happens. Thus making it event not a could have happened. Remember not RIPE!!!

 

[aquagreen73s]

What a shame we make $125/85 per hour while you pursue your fantasy of rewriting the seniority list.

What a shame you've destroyed any leverage we may have had to get a better contract.

Hey Trader, did you read Cleary's latest?

It oozes desperation:

No one on God's green earth ever believed that these bankruptcy era conditions would exist so long after the filings.

Bull$h!t. You were one of the champions of separate ops forever Cleary. Liar!

Also by now you must understand that your union will defend each and every affront to the employment of our brother and sister pilots.

You mean like filing frivolous RICO charges against West pilots? You mean like harassing West pilots at BPR meetings by calling police? You mean like fabricating charges of identity theft, suing more West pilots using union money, when there's absolutely no evidence? What an idiot.

We have, from the onset, maintained an aggressive stance to defend your rights and will continue to do so.

Riiighht. See above. LOA 93 forever. Sorry guys, we tried out best.

For those with the crosshairs on them, know that we will fight for your careers, just as we are defending our safety culture and the survivability of our airline.

Just like you're "winning" the seniority battle!

even if the allegations leveled against them were true

Since when does veracity enter into the equation? When you're Mike Cleary, you just upchuck whatever libel and slander you like against the West.

I want each and every one of you to know how very proud I am of you.

In other words, thanks for the three years on FPL!

Stay safe, stick together

What, is he serious? Stick together? Why? So you can regroup and sue some more West pilots? No thanks.

Enjoy LOA93. You wanted it, now you got it.

 

[Res Judicata]

Mike Cleary is a clear and present danger to nobody but ALL the pilots of US AIRWAYS. He's an unbalanced kook that needs professional psychiatric help.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Does USAPA Have the Talent Necessary to Negotiate a Contract?

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[aquagreen73s]

Mike Cleary is a clear and present danger to nobody but ALL the pilots of US AIRWAYS.

As evidenced by a lot of what is in the President's Message itself: LOA93, firings, no progress at the negotiating table. The moment Wake found jurisdiction, it was the beginning of the end for USAPA's pipe dream. The 9th dealt a blow to everyone by kicking the can. So be it. The West is here and the West isn't going away.

 

[BLT]

Does anyone know if any USAPA officers are facing termination due to not completing distance learning on time?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Does anyone know if any USAPA officers are facing termination due to not completing distance learning on time?

NOT ONE.

 

[crazystnic]

NOT ONE.

and who cares if they are or not....

 

[crazystnic]

Does USAPA Have the Talent Necessary to Negotiate a Contract?

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D'Orio is an attorney as well and will not put up with the Company BS.. He is a great person to chair the NIC. I don't know Pat Day personally but I've heard many good things about him.

Stop trying to drum up more controversy. The NAC is fine and with our support will do just fine.

 

[767one]

Just because you think it is a safety issue does not make it a safety issue. I believe you guys all thought that flows were a safety issue. Even though almost every other airline uses them. You guys thought that Cactus call sign was a safety issue. So far not a single airplane has had an accident.

So now it is OK to stop something before it happens. The courts have determined that until damage occurs it is not RIPE!. But you guys think you know before it happens.

Event reports are filed AFTER the event happens. Thus making it event not a could have happened. Remember not RIPE!!!

Actually I have gotten used to the cactus call sign and I thought it to be a non-issue until coming back from DUB recently when an Irish controller said he did not have any idea what airline we were. Still made it home in spite of them not knowing who we were.

However getting back to the safety issue I file the reports to prevent a problem from going from an issue to an accident and I guess you would file one after the accident. I don't file the reports because Usapa tells me to I file them because the FOM tells me to.


Bob

 

[icehead]

What specifically has USAPA done in the course of the past three years that would earn the trust of west pilots or Management to think that there is any issue where they can be believed at their word or to not have an ulterior motive related to getting a DOH in violation of the TA?

Successful or not USAPA is trying to get to the bottom of why our PBGC account was managed so recklessly. If some increase in monetary relief is awarded it will help all pilots. I for one don't need too much more to say goodbye to this sub standard operation. USAPA is also calling attention to safety. Isn't that a good thing... 80% of all write ups occur in MTC bases, is that a job action or misguided cooperation? I don't get the earn the trust part. Is that a two way street or a blind alley?

 

[767one]

Successful or not USAPA is trying to get to the bottom of why our PBGC account was managed so recklessly. If some increase in monetary relief is awarded it will help all pilots. I for one don't need too much more to say goodbye to this sub standard operation. USAPA is also calling attention to safety. Isn't that a good thing... 80% of all write ups occur in MTC bases, is that a job action or misguided cooperation? I don't get the earn the trust part. Is that a two way street or a blind alley?

If it's broken it's broken. It goes in the logbook if it's broken and the airplane is fixed, put on mel or cancelled. I never looked to see if I was in a mtc or non mtc station and I don't think the preamble of the mel mentions checking to see if you are in a mtc station or not.


Regards,


Bob

 

[traderjake]

and who cares if they are or not....

The ones that get fired might.

 

[icehead]

If it's broken it's broken. It goes in the logbook if it's broken and the airplane is fixed, put on mel or cancelled. I never looked to see if I was in a mtc or non mtc station and I don't think the preamble of the mel mentions checking to see if you are in a mtc station or not.


Regards,


Bob

You are right its a black and white.

 

[Suge Knight]

so much for your platinum badge-backers...