US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Another swing and miss Spike...you can blame many of the USAPA shills for your woes...

Jim

All our "woes" were created by ALPA, I'll take this union any day over ALPO.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Another nice non-reply. I assume you are implying the company was flush with pilots in '99 and '07 and could have operated without any difficulties with no hiring. Oh wait, the company hired over 1200 pilots starting in '99, and had to continue hiring off the streets after the '07 recalls. You were part of the problem on this property, get over yourself.

Not at all. US could have (and did) hire all the pilots it needed both in 99 and 07. If the pilots that were hired hadn't been there was no shortage of others. Face it - you're just one of the warm bodies that got the call. If it hadn't been you it would have been another warm body.

Not sure how I'm part of the problem when I wasn't in the majority that fell all over themselves voting for all the concessions (does "Let my daddy vote" ring any bells?). That majority would now be the majority of USAPA supporters. They threw the furloughed pilots under the bus (we can fly more to make up for the pay cut), the MDA pilots under the bus (sure, let US sell those 170's to a contract carrier), and the latest furloughed new hires (did I say let's fly more to make up for LOA 93 pay?).

Next time you go to work, look around the crew room. Over half of those pilots threw you and others under the bus without a second thought...not me...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

All our "woes" were created by ALPA

No, all your woes were created by those that blindly followed the MEC. They now blindly follow USAPA, like you...

Jim

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Sure I will help you out. It was the east that failed to discuss conditions and restrictions. It is the east that is stealing jobs.

I do not give a damn about your scab point of view!

PS. The last whino who I did not give any money to also said "blow me", as I walked away.

Oh, and there is not a 3% raise on the way. That is just your scab union trying to get your continued support.

Wrong. The west refused c&r. Totally and completely. It was your clowns who walked out on a proffer of such. Okay, you get what you asked for. Sorta.

Because of the age attrition on the east which your clowns failed to take into account, the east will always be in a position to vote down any merged contract including a "NIC" provision. I mean, in five years, why would an east left seater or east right seat international hired tomorrow vote for a contract that would put 1800 pilots above him/her, much less those senior to them? You west guys are, frankly, stuck in heck. Have a good day. Enjoy because those enjoyable days will become far and few.

 

[traderjake]

Believe it, I know it I have spoken to friends that you have worked with, your not to well liked, but like they say your OK with that.

You must be the President of my fan club.

Good for you.

Did you speak with the Captain who asked why I wasn't wearing a yellow lanyard?

 

[spike99]

Not at all. US could have (and did) hire all the pilots it needed both in 99 and 07. If the pilots that were hired hadn't been there was no shortage of others. Face it - you're just one of the warm bodies that got the call. If it hadn't been you it would have been another warm body.

Not sure how I'm part of the problem when I wasn't in the majority that fell all over themselves voting for all the concessions (does "Let my daddy vote" ring any bells?). That majority would now be the majority of USAPA supporters. They threw the furloughed pilots under the bus (we can fly more to make up for the pay cut), the MDA pilots under the bus (sure, let US sell those 170's to a contract carrier), and the latest furloughed new hires (did I say let's fly more to make up for LOA 93 pay?).

Next time you go to work, look around the crew room. Over half of those pilots threw you and others under the bus without a second thought...not me...

Jim

First Jim, my initial post was in response was to Traitor Jake in response to his statement about responsibilities. You in your ALPA/God complex chose to respond. And again, whom was actually hired was not the point in reference to being thrown under the bus. It's your continued support of the position that those pilots deserve no consideration in the integration, is where I have a problem. If those pilots/me had not accepted employment,would there be a company. The argument of someone else would have taken the job, does not change the argument. Of course I know the "Let my Daddy Vote" mantra, I can't believe you are saying you were not in that camp, and I have never seen any of your posts which would suggest otherwise.

Spike

 

[BoeingBoy]

And again, whom was actually hired was not the point in reference to being thrown under the bus.

No, but the furlough of those hired in 99 was not my fault. Blame 911 if you want to point the finger of blame. Obviously US had too many pilots after 911 and those 99 hires were furloughed. So spare me the song and dance about you saving someone else's job and consequently being owed something. If you hadn't taken the job, there was 100 others waiting to take it.

It's your continued support of the position that those pilots deserve no consideration in the integration, is where I have a problem.

Yet you have no problem with those in USAPA leadership who said that furloughed pilots could expect little in a merger. They were willing to throw you under the bus till you became an argument to use when they didn't get their way...and they'll do it again in a heartbeat if it allows them to get what they want.

If those pilots/me had not accepted employment,would there be a company.

A nonsense question - if not you and the others who got the jobs then someone else would have.

The argument of someone else would have taken the job, does not change the argument.

It does when you argue that if you and the others who accepted the job hadn't done so the company would have gone under. Do you think you're the only group of pilots in the U.S. that could do the job?

Of course I know the "Let my Daddy Vote" mantra, I can't believe you are saying you were not in that camp, and I have never seen any of your posts which would suggest otherwise.

Too blinded by anger to see the truth...or is it that you believe that everyone should see things your way and if they don't they're to blame for your troubles? Like I said, look around the crew room and the majority of the pilots you see are the one's you should be blaming. But no....so much easier to spout your bs...

Jim

 

[luvthe9]

No, all your woes were created by those that blindly followed the MEC. They now blindly follow USAPA, like you...

Jim

Gee, Let me think Doug Mowery(ALPA) brought us LOA 93. Bill Pollock (ALPA) gave our pension away at 2:00am with no vote. Hey Jim ALPA SUX.

 

[traderjake]

If the '89 hires had not come back ,and the newhires starting in '99 hadn't accepted employment at US, US probably wouldn't be here.

Wow, coming to work and collecting a paycheck, you made the ultimate sacrifice for the rest of us.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Help me here. Was it the east or the west who refused to discuss conditions and restrictions and who was "stealing" whose jobs?

I mean, from my point of view, the west decided to go for the gold after the lottery ticket and the east said, blow me. Classic mexican stand off, though the west pilots might now need to produce their birth certificates.

Hey, so far it is DOH for both parties, and will remain so for the predictive future. The 3% east raises will help the desire to keep rampant greed running seniority into the ground. Face it, the west pilots will likely never fly a wide body. With the downsizing of PHX, good luck, boys and girls. and I voted for Hummel from the beginning.

Have a good day, suckers.

What part of "binding arbitration" do you not get? The binding part, or the arbitration part.

Keep blathering, you have become a psychological oddity at this point.

 

[EastCheats]

Good luck, sucker. Oh, wait. Sucker, as in, leech? Who do be the leech? The west who was on a 30 day cliff to oblivion or the east who had all the money? Gosh. I just cannot figger out what happened here. Heh, heh.

The west lives at the whim of the east. Get used to it.

You must be 5'4' and 120 lbs soaked and wet. Must be the reason you beat on baby seals. Why don't you beat yourself? Never mind, not going there. He, He

 

[nic4us]

All our "woes" were created by ALPA, I'll take this union any day over ALPO.

Of course a scab such as yourself supports the scab union....we all get that.

Now tell us something new....like how you are going to keep certain usapa scabs out of prison for tampering with the recent elections?

 

[Move2CLT]

All our "woes" were created by ALPA, I'll take this union any day over ALPO.

There's that "blame everyone else but me" attitude that's so endearing to you easties.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And isn't Mowery a mover and shaker behind the scenes at USAPA (and Compass Correction leader). I know facts mean little to you, but Pollock didn't have a vote on the pension termination - that was the MEC members, most of whom are USAPA cheerleaders.

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

Gee, Let me think Doug Mowery(ALPA) brought us LOA 93. Bill Pollock (ALPA) gave our pension away at 2:00am with no vote. Hey Jim ALPA SUX.

Weren't those US Air pilots that you guys elected?