FA why do you continue with this type of talk. You are embarrassing us with this type of talk. I've talked to others about the ninths ruling and your interpretation is wrong. The DFR is a clear and present reality and I don't think Tempe is willing to risk it.
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OTTER574
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Your statements are total LIES and BULLSHIT FA....Suggest you call Dr. Phil/pi brat or someone else to help you through these oblivious troubling/staring you in the face again, times of SOME OF YOU east pilots.
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Everybody acts in their own self interest.
That's why we have neutral arbitrators resolve disputes.
ClueByFour
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Years later, and you guys still don't get it.
The 9th circuit said you can't have a DFR until USAPA actually gets a contract in place with a non-Nicolau seniority list.
The company has essentially pulled an end-around and applied for summary judgement on that score.
Even if Judge Silver does not enshrine Nicolau (she most likely will), the writing is on the wall:
1. A single carrier determination will be made.
2. During the SLI with AA, USAPA will either be forced to use the Nicolau (Judge Silver) or if they try to pass another list will be instantly in court with a ripe DFR that history tells us they will lose.
The most likely scenario is that Judge Silver will enshrine the Nicolau as the list and APA will become the union--perhaps even without a vote. The SLI with the APA list and Nicolau will proceed.
There is absolutely zero chance that US and AA integrate with anything but the Nicolau award as the US list.
What cracks me up is that there are still folks who work for what was US-East who really think that there is a path forward that does not include Nicolau. There ain't, and you guys have pissed away 5+ years with LOA 93 trying to avoid it.
Further, even _if_ a 3-way SLI occurs, it's going to be before a real arbitrator. He is not going to like (and see right thru) the history of what the East pilot group has done, and essentially punish the group for it during the SLI.
Stepping back onto this board after few years, and you still can't fix stupid. This is why I won't fly East metal--no point in placing my life in the hands of the mentally unfit to be dog-catcher, must less fly an airplane.
OTTER574
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Exactly why the east needs a corrupt union formed by bradford, seham and others called usapa!
OTTER
Yep. I'm not endorsing the east strongarm by any means. I've paid good money to do my part in seeing that it does not succeed. I can just happen to see why some in the east feel as they do. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the strongarm tack was and is wrong. I suppose all the back and forth barbs, labeling, and name calling might be fun for some, but I just don't see the fun in it anymore, though I have done my share in the past.
I feel so honored to be listed beside Dr. Phil. FA is more than welcome to call on me, as you are OTTER, because I'm more worried about you than him. If this AA doesn't happen I'm afraid we will have certain westies diving naked into the Tempe cement lake. Call me anytime. I'm listening.
Phoenix
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I also find unbelievable the ALPAphiles are starting to go batshit in their zeal to work a cram down to screw as many of their fellow East pilots as they can...
and it is embarrassing that they are prostrating themselves in front of the West pilots like lapdogs wanting affirmation and a pat on the head. :blink:
In fairness to them Phoenix...that's all they've ever known how to do....Why should any be surprised now?
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But it's perfectly acceptable in your world for USAPAphiles in their zeal to cram down a DOH list and screw as many of the West pilots as they can....
Give your number to one of them then, if you feel so strongly about it. First ensure that the lucky recipient has at least 15 or more years less LOS than yourself, so as to convincingly back up your "core values" here.....no?...didn't think so
One thing I must give Trader/"LT Hardy" is that it's my belief he's honest about his actual convictions, and feels, as do most of us, that he's doing "the right thing"...You?...Not-So-Much methinks.
N924PS
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Give your number to one of them then, if you feel so strongly about it. First ensure that the lucky recipient has at least 15 or more years less LOS than yourself, so as to convincingly back up your "core values" here.....no?...didn't think so
My core values don't allow me to renege on a binding agreement, or come up with multiple rationalizations for doing so.
Do we have to do the LOS is not equal to seniority drill again for you or can you simply review the previous 4700 pages for your enlightenment?
Sigh.....
fatherabraham
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DCA,
Feel free to correct my ways via a pm(s).
Multiple times here recently I have asked your DOH year to better understand where you may be coming from.
Stated mine, yet you ignore question. I've nothing to hide and been way more forthcoming in my views with only a couple of personal insults . Then I watch as westie upon westie throw their juvenile insults my way and completely avoid my text or blather their pov ad nausium as if we don't know them.
Yet as a new poster ( claiming to be an Eastie ) you pronounce my general embarrassment to my East bretheren with my talk. Then you fail to point out the " talk " that is embarrassing . Rather weak in my POV.
Btw.....we shall see how clt & Phl respond . Too early to be pondering the tea leaves.
As far as the Nic, I will live just fine with it! This has only been a job for quite some time IMO. Zippo to lose sleep over.
That said, fat chance I will not fight the Nic fiasco till my dying breath. Simply put.......Nic was wrong and failed to meet many Alpa conditions.
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