Winglets Official!

[FWAAA]

Sounds like AA values the additional range or payload the winglets provide much more than the fuel economy; otherwise, why only outfit 20 757s with them (with options for the others)?

 

[AAStew]

I think that is exactly their plan, as stated earlier, they want to add more of the profitable international flying as opposed toi the routes whcih we just CAN'T compete on. As Uncle Bobby once stated, we should just stick to international and transcon flying. He was quite the visionary... Actually he was an astute business man for which he deserves respect.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Sounds like AA values the additional range or payload the winglets provide much more than the fuel economy; otherwise, why only outfit 20 757s with them (with options for the others)?

[post="301182"][/post]​

Looks like they are just buying time and picking up some longer range routes as the industry shakes out and before any order for 787's go in. Also no reason to retrofit the entire fleet of 757 when a lot of them are reaching the 15 year old mark already.

 

[eolesen]

Did he get a SERP?
:mf_boff: :mf_boff:

[post="301176"][/post]​

No, but he served his country twice, and is buried at Arlington between a couple of foot soldiers.

 

[TWU informer]

No, but he served his country twice, and is buried at Arlington between a couple of foot soldiers.

[post="301239"][/post]​

Thank You,

That is a huge difference between current and past leadership.

 

[Thomas Paine]

No, but he served his country twice, and is buried at Arlington between a couple of foot soldiers.

[post="301239"][/post]​

And he was very well compensated for it no doubt.

During WWII he held the rank of General, yep, he was one of the lucky ones who served on the front in Washington DC, entitling him to a full Generals pension despite the few years he actually served in the military, then he was entitled to recieve another government pension because of his cabinet post under LBJ.

Such double dipping is allowed for the top dogs.

Liddy Dole and her decreppid husband went on a crusade to prevent military retirees who go on to take civilian government jobs from "double dipping" despite that fact that between them they collected multiple pensions for positions only held a few years, in contrast to those they were targeting who put in 20 years with the military then another 20 in civilian to get the double government pension. Despite this hypocrisy and double standard them dumb rednecks put that b###h into the Senate, entitling her to yet another pension!!

Sorry if this has nothing to do with winglets but I couldnt resist.

 

[Crapdog]

This has got to be Boeing STC's because if it's not Boeing will not warranty the wing structure like they did on the 727 valsan mod.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Thomas Paine, I would challenge you to a duel to defend the honor of CR Smith if I could. You are way off base and have no idea what the man did for this company or this country. I remember when this was a great airline and I remember who made it that way.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Thomas Paine, I would challenge you to a duel to defend the honor of CR Smith if I could. You are way off base and have no idea what the man did for this company or this country. I remember when this was a great airline and I remember who made it that way.

[post="301407"][/post]​

Well we may need to start another thread for that. But before we do I'd like to add this:

CR Smith was a brilliant businessman who built a good company. Unlike the corporate leaders of today who concentrate on the annual report so they can extract a lifetimes worth of compensation in just a few years, CR was in it for the long haul. AA was his creation, his legacy. He was a creator of an enterprise, much like herb Kelleher, these men love their airlines. You wouldnt see them quitting and going over to work for Walmart or Burgur King.

He deserves respect for that and was good for airline workers who he considered to be a part of his creation.

But as far as treating him like a Hero who "served his country twice", well its not like it was the type of sacrifice that ordinary Americans who served made. He was not in the trenches and the positions he got came with good perks. (Unless of course he served in WWI, I'm not aware of that.)

During WWII he served with the rank of General. Big sacrifice? Maybe, maybe not. You have to remember that most of the civilian DC-3s were converted to C-47s(?). For all we know he could have been there making sure that AA's were used on the cake runs while Uniteds and everyone elses were out there getting ripped up by flack, or maybe vice-versa so AA would get new aircraft courtesy of the government. As we saw from 9-11 and Katrina, there is no human tragedy that goes unexploited by profit seekers. In the cut throat world of business there is little room for compassion.

CR Smith was a businessman who built a good airline. That in itself is an honorable accomplishment, but anything more than that is hyperbole.

 

[eolesen]

During WWII he served with the rank of General. Big sacrifice? Maybe, maybe not. <snip>
CR Smith was a businessman who built a good airline. That in itself is an honorable accomplishment, but anything more than that is hyperbole.

[post="301516"][/post]​

You, sir, are an ass who doesn't know what they're talking about.

CR -earned- his rank. He started out as a Colonel when he was asked to create and then oversee what became known as Air Transport Command, and was later promoted to Major General. Given the responsibility he was tasked with, bringing him in at the rank of Colonel was entirely appropriate.

Go read Robert Serling's "When The Airlines Went To War" to learn more, because quite frankly I don't have the time or patience to spoon feed history to those who think they can learn it off of a Google search in five minutes.

 

[Bob Owens]

You, sir, are an ass who doesn't know what they're talking about.

CR -earned- his rank.  He started out as a Colonel when he was asked to create and then oversee what became known as Air Transport Command, and was later promoted to Major General.  Given the responsibility he was tasked with, bringing him in at the rank of Colonel was entirely appropriate.

Go read Robert Serling's "When The Airlines Went To War" to learn more, because quite frankly I don't have the time or patience to spoon feed history to those who think they can learn it off of a Google search in five minutes.

[post="301594"][/post]​

I dont see where he was wrong, he said he was a General, you admit that, in fact you say he went in as a Colonel and went to Major General, he went from civilian to Major General in less than four years.

Looks like you made an ass out of yourself FM.

 

[Hopeful]

It's amazing how this "winglet" discussion turns to ancient history!
CR.Smith, like other early airline bosses had their day in an entirely different industry. Today it is all about management greed!

This calls to mind another so-called aviation "pioneer!" Eddie Rickenbacker of Eastern Airlines! Like his counterparts of that era, he did introduce some innovations to the industry. He was at EAL from 1938 - 1959 and actually purchased Eastern for $3.5 million dollars.

But when you are around that long, you become a dinosaur! Regardless of what time in history it is.
The proof of his uselessness was in the late fifties when commercial aviation was entering the jet age and ol Eddie Rickenbacker balked at purchasing the new 707 and DC8 jets.

HE DISMISSED THEM AS A "FAD."

Anyway, back to those "winglets!"

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< TUL. Oh really! Is this is the same TUL that coudn't get a 767 pylon back on the aircraft after a simple bushing mod? O.K.! Thank you for the info. aa! And yes, now that you mention it I did read somewhere that it was 20 757s. That one 737 is a bet of a surprise though! But it dose make sence.

[post="300971"][/post]​

<_< Or is this the same TULSA that pressurized a MD80 wing to 100PSI, and blow it up like a balloon!!!!!??? 😉 The first aircraft by Christmas!!! Yea, right!!!!

 

[lpbrian]

The first wingleted a/c will be a 737, due to be completed in late October. Only 1 737 will be fitted, the shipset being a freebie for buying 20 shipsets of 757 winglets, to be fitted to only 757's on the ETOP's roster. The first 757 will appear in early December. The 737 will take only 4 days to accomplish, since the 737 wing was originally designed to accomodate a winglet. 757's will take much longer, 20 days (4200 labor hours, 45 amt's) since the 757 wing was'nt designed with a winglet in mind. Major structural work will be required. Looks like they formed a seperate operation to this.

 

[eolesen]

I dont see where he was wrong, he said he was a General, you admit that, in fact you say he went in as a Colonel and went to Major General, he went from civilian to Major General in less than four years.

Looks like you made an ass out of yourself FM.

[post="301921"][/post]​

My issue was with the hyperbole comment and the incorrect assumption that his rank was honorary.

But then again, you and your ilk probably don't care much about what it takes to earn a position by any other means than thru seniority.


As for the timeframe on the 757 -- has anyone heard if the forward cabin will be reconfigured at the same time it's in for the winglet mod?