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Can anyone tell me who ''700'' is ? He/She just posted something under the "Petition Post'' stating
something that was never brought up or asked.He/She just seems to post some comments and
disappear. I notice he/she hasn't responded to anyones questions on this post and I'm wondering if
he/she should just be ignored. I'm just gonna ignore him/her.


bob
 
We have alot of IBEW support like DANNY in the bag chute , TRIG and KENNY M. GOOOO IBEW!!!!!!!!
I will tell you, speaks in volumes when the people that CARE and are will willingly with NO orders show up for any membership, to offer support, answer questions, and make an appearance but are not the ones collecting your dues.........
 
Jen-
I couldn't agree with you more. If I have any questions I know the phone numbers
of at least 2 IBEW reps. I couldn't tell you the phone contacts of any AGC or V.P. at
large or any IAM steward. You hit the nail on the head. The IBEW is there on thier own
time to talk and answer questions yet the IAM who we pay are no where to be found and
when they are around thier telling people how to vote and putting down anyone who has
an opposing view. Thanks making this seem so simple. IBEW, think about it, thier here,
look around, who's not ?

Thanks
 
Can anyone tell me who ''700'' is ? He/She just posted something under the "Petition Post'' stating
something that was never brought up or asked.He/She just seems to post some comments and
disappear. I notice he/she hasn't responded to anyones questions on this post and I'm wondering if
he/she should just be ignored. I'm just gonna ignore him/her.
bob

Bob-
I don't know who he is but I know exactly what your saying. Keep up the posts though.
You have a good outlook on things.


Thanks :up:
 
perv,
funny thing in clt .. we have grievence committee guys walking around clt talking to people about their pensions and what they would or should

get .. That only happens when there is a threat to them of losing there cushie jobs.. last time they talked about it was when the TWU was around.

ONCE again the IAM boys are looking out for THEMSELVES and not the membership..
 
Railroads are not airlines. Funny I just checked their web page dont see what airlines they represent.

Go look up the history of the inability of railroad employees to get a CBA, most of the time Congress legistlates their CBA.

Twice the size?

The IAM has 750,000 active and retired members, need some math lessons?
Now tell me what airline they represent again?


700,

Here is some interesting math:

IAM International membership according to the DOL

2000 - 730,673
2006 - 646,933


Is that attrition or membership jumping off a burning ship!

The DOL does not even recognize the BCTGM (Twinkie Bakers n' Tobacco Spitters)
You must be proud to make that move!

Come on Deleted by moderator
Where did you learn your math
 
I guess you need some internet skills to.

DOL's Page of LM2 for the BCTGM.

How does the crow taste?

International's LM2 from the DOL!!!

20. How many members did the labor organization have at the end of the reporting period? 94,396

And I am proud after three months I was/am making more than after 18 years at US and I have a real pension again.

Can you say the same?



Thank you Deleted by moderator.

I am less than perfect and appreciate the link, but, you did not own
the fact that your numbers are wrong as far as the IAM goes.
You also dont address the heavy decline of membership.

Feathers tast alot better than Twinkies anyway.
 
how long would it take for the ibew to actually take over the ramp fleet service if they get more than the 50% plus 1? Also how would it affect those furlough agents working in the outsourced cities who want to transfer into the mainline cities?
 
how long would it take for the ibew to actually take over the ramp fleet service if they get more than the 50% plus 1? Also how would it affect those furlough agents working in the outsourced cities who want to transfer into the mainline cities?
Boy, you people just don't get it!

First of all if the IBEW gets enough cards to actually warrant an election....you will have to overcome all obstacles of actually being able to successfully win the election....

1. You must have at least 50% + 1 of all eligible members, and yes that includes furloughed members with recall (that number stands around 800) that means that the the 1st 800 voters participating and voting for the union will actually be just catching the number back up to zero------What that means is that you will already be in the hole by the 800 members who are furloughed and most likely have no intentions of voting if they can even be found.....

Just look at the member participation for voting on the transition agreement-----it was less then 50%------

Anything less then 50% total participation means DE-CERTIFICATION.....NO UNION.....NOTHING........Trust me, you think it can't happen, well it's already happened here once and within 2 weeks the company took just about everything we had and wiped it out.....

2. If you even lucky enough to win the election any union on the property will have to establish officers and a negotiating committee and will be starting from scratch with the company.......You guys in the stations that are farmed out will stay that way and none of that will change......

What this means is what you have today will be what you will have until the new union gets up to speed and who knows how long that will be..... The IAM pension will be gone immediately as will any progress made with the Change in Control Grievance.......You will basically be starting from ground zero and who's to say once it's said and done that the IBEW or any other union for that matter will accomplish or be able to do anything they promised......THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION

Let those on here say what they want, but this is the truth and if you think for 1 min. that taking a chance on trying your hand with an election against the crooked Company with the backing of the crooked Govt. agency the NMB, you will be in for a rude awakening......That is a fact......

So I encourage everyone on this board that either signed a card or is thinking about signing a card to really think long and hard about what you are doing........

And listen, trust me when I say I am no fan of the IAM at all.....in fact I am frustrated myself, but by no means is this the time to be playing with our futures and taking a chance on Dougweiser and Co. to be your representative...because that will be the likely outcome of this....

You see what the company wants to give you with representation-----just imagine what you quality of life will be without any.......Do any of you think Doug is not sitting at the bar and in the boardroom just salivating at the thought of Fleet Service with no union......

So think long and hard about your decision!
 
Nothing changes upon a change of a union, the new union inherits the exsisting CBA and they are bound by its term until the CBA becomes amendable.

Changing unions does not open your contract up for renegotiation, under the RLA they only become amendable 60 days prior to the term date.
 
Boy, you people just don't get it!

First of all if the IBEW gets enough cards to actually warrant an election....you will have to overcome all obstacles of actually being able to successfully win the election....

1. You must have at least 50% + 1 of all eligible members, and yes that includes furloughed members with recall (that number stands around 800) that means that the the 1st 800 voters participating and voting for the union will actually be just catching the number back up to zero------What that means is that you will already be in the hole by the 800 members who are furloughed and most likely have no intentions of voting if they can even be found.....

Just look at the member participation for voting on the transition agreement-----it was less then 50%------

Anything less then 50% total participation means DE-CERTIFICATION.....NO UNION.....NOTHING........Trust me, you think it can't happen, well it's already happened here once and within 2 weeks the company took just about everything we had and wiped it out.....

2. If you even lucky enough to win the election any union on the property will have to establish officers and a negotiating committee and will be starting from scratch with the company.......You guys in the stations that are farmed out will stay that way and none of that will change......

What this means is what you have today will be what you will have until the new union gets up to speed and who knows how long that will be..... The IAM pension will be gone immediately as will any progress made with the Change in Control Grievance.......You will basically be starting from ground zero and who's to say once it's said and done that the IBEW or any other union for that matter will accomplish or be able to do anything they promised......THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION

Let those on here say what they want, but this is the truth and if you think for 1 min. that taking a chance on trying your hand with an election against the crooked Company with the backing of the crooked Govt. agency the NMB, you will be in for a rude awakening......That is a fact......

So I encourage everyone on this board that either signed a card or is thinking about signing a card to really think long and hard about what you are doing........

And listen, trust me when I say I am no fan of the IAM at all.....in fact I am frustrated myself, but by no means is this the time to be playing with our futures and taking a chance on Dougweiser and Co. to be your representative...because that will be the likely outcome of this....

You see what the company wants to give you with representation-----just imagine what you quality of life will be without any.......Do any of you think Doug is not sitting at the bar and in the boardroom just salivating at the thought of Fleet Service with no union......

So think long and hard about your decision!
Jimmy,
please save all the "I"m not a fan of the IAM" Bull **** story. Your love letter dribble indicates differently. At least 700 is clear about things.

regards
 
Sorry to burst your bubble Tim, but I absolutely am not a fan of the IAM nor am I a supporter of Canale or any of the current or former AGC's---so give me a break------

I am just stating the facts period.......

Your posts are aimed at uninformed members who have no idea how things truly work....

We are in no position or condition to be taking such a great risk right now....and you know it........Truth is the most likely outcome with the current management and white house administration is de-certification and when that happens what will be your response to all of the poor people you snowballed into this.....How will you explain to them what went wrong....
By then it will be too late........

Funny thing happened in my station---there were a couple of guys trying to get IBT cards signed who did not even realize that we could be de-certified if 50% + 1 did not participate......once explained the possible ramifications, they changed their tune real quick......


Trust me the IAM may not meet mine, yours or anyone else's expectations, but you nor anyone else can lay claims that the IBEW, IBT, or the bakers union will be able to do any better....hell look at the IBT/CWA-----they just crammed their transition agreement down their members throats---did they not----talk to the inside agants who would have loved the chance to vote on it......

But you and I know quite well what a De-certification outcome for Fleet means/ and it won't be pretty, will it?

These are just the facts Tim and you cannot disagree-----

People----I am just saying think very hard about what your doing before signing any cards......The consequences could very easily be devastating.....

And if you do not believe what 700 says, then I suggest you look up the information yourself.........you may get quite a surprise......

Take some advice from the ones who went through that de-certification----it's not pretty, we are still paying for it to this day.......
 
Neutron does not speak for me. I went through de-certification and I say sign the cards. The IAM has done terrible job at representing me. The 50% +1 is for all votes for representation not for a single group. So you can vote IAM, IBEW or the bakers' union and its' still a vote for representation. If your
saying you don't support Canale or the IAM but don't seek change, well I'm not for that. The consequen-
ces of an election could also be benificial.


Thanks
 
Sorry to burst your bubble Tim, but I absolutely am not a fan of the IAM nor am I a supporter of Canale or any of the current or former AGC's---so give me a break------

I am just stating the facts period.......

Your posts are aimed at uninformed members who have no idea how things truly work....

We are in no position or condition to be taking such a great risk right now....and you know it........Truth is the most likely outcome with the current management and white house administration is de-certification and when that happens what will be your response to all of the poor people you snowballed into this.....How will you explain to them what went wrong....
By then it will be too late........

Funny thing happened in my station---there were a couple of guys trying to get IBT cards signed who did not even realize that we could be de-certified if 50% + 1 did not participate......once explained the possible ramifications, they changed their tune real quick......
Trust me the IAM may not meet mine, yours or anyone else's expectations, but you nor anyone else can lay claims that the IBEW, IBT, or the bakers union will be able to do any better....hell look at the IBT/CWA-----they just crammed their transition agreement down their members throats---did they not----talk to the inside agants who would have loved the chance to vote on it......

But you and I know quite well what a De-certification outcome for Fleet means/ and it won't be pretty, will it?

These are just the facts Tim and you cannot disagree-----

People----I am just saying think very hard about what your doing before signing any cards......The consequences could very easily be devastating.....

And if you do not believe what 700 says, then I suggest you look up the information yourself.........you may get quite a surprise......

Take some advice from the ones who went through that de-certification----it's not pretty, we are still paying for it to this day.......
JN,
I'm working on a Q & A fact sheet, separate from opinion, and quite convincing of a successful IBEW campaign.

Before anyone jumps to doom and gloom conclusions like the IAM wishes, fair minded folks will consider the facts that are known, and the speculation that is manufactured. I was hoping to have this done this evening but I believe it will be postponed until Tomorrow evening as I have obtained further concrete information regarding the IAM pension.

Once the Election/IBEW Q & A fact sheet is published, it should be posted, copied and distributed everywhere. There is nothing better than informed consent as opposed to manufactured fear and intimidation.
regards,
 
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