Yes or no for the IBEW?

[orioleman]

perv,
thanks for the recap.. NOW ,, it's time for clt /phx and other citys to join together... Remember what Canale said.. IT WAS A GOOD DEAL.. So he is publicly admitting that
throwing away a grievence is a good idea... ???? for Randy , jeff you can chirp in if you want I am sure you will... IF throwing away the CIC grievence is worth it then why did they keep in this last t/a
the way i see it if its not worth fighting WHY have it in your contract.. 2. He (RANDY) is saying that IT WAS A GOOD DEAL.. what he really means is YOU don't deserve to keep PROFIT SHARING
and so on and so on..

Westies keep saying we need to come together ... Well boys/gals NOW is the time YOU want to be apart of something and become one.. THINK about THE IBEW....
we know now the best YOUR EVER GONNA GET FROM THE IAM was what they just offered..

something to think about..


to the true philly guys on this board.... YOUR actions should stand as a testiment of what real UNION SOLIDARITY is and many across the system could learn well from that

GREAT JOB guys..

 

[Mr Eagle]

SO What Happens When The USAIRWAYS Company WINS the CIC/COC Snap Back Control Grievance?
Who Will You all Blame?

 

[Tim Nelson]

SO What Happens When The USAIRWAYS Company WINS the CIC/COC Snap Back Control Grievance?
Who Will You all Blame?

Mr. Eagle,

Can't blame anyone. Actually I agree with the IAM and Canale in that there was a change in contol. What matters is if the aribtrator agrees with what the IAM believes. If the COC loses then it loses. Provided the members remain solid then Parker still won't be able to slip any bull **** contract by. Until Parker treats God's creatures with dignity and respect, Mr. Parker can screw any thought of transition.

Parker still needs a transition. The thing I blame most with the IAM is they have no balls and have not flexed our muscle at all. Therefore, there has not been any negotiations to date. The ramp needs a union that flexes muscle by doing 'legal solidarity' maneuvers to open company eyes. The IAM can't do that because Canale is Parker's boy as a result of Canale being a United Board member. Canale is trying to impress Parker by doing backflips on the beach while walking on piss clams. Canale just doesn't respect fleet service US AIRWAYS at all.

As aside, I'd like to see the IBEW commit to this drive by letterhead and authorized signature. Once that happens it's game over for the IAM.

join the network
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regards,

 

[Mr Eagle]

'Tim Nelson' date='Oct 3 2007, 06:28 PM' post='530924']
Mr. Eagle,

Thanks Tim; Your a Respectable Kind, I do Appreciate you.
Mr <_<

 

[phlforce]

We have andrews support

 

[freedom]

😛h34r: I just want to remind everyone not to take your eye off the ball , and that ball is called WINNING , no matter what . If the IBEW gets voted in great , hooray ! If they don’t you still need to be prepared to field candidates in our upcoming elections . Do not make the mistake of becoming so obsessed with the IBEW that you let election time come and go . As we have seen in the recent past with the IBT , while it may SEEM as if they support us , in an instant that support can vanish and we’re back to square one . I know for some of you it’s going to be hard to be hypocritical :blink: in saying out with the IAM , but at the same time saying “elect so and so ! For IAM district president “ but that is exactly what we NEED to do .Winning at all costs should be on everyone’s mind , determine yourself to not fail . :angry:


As an aside to the PHX fleet service , I’m hearing names thrown around for the upcoming local election , It’s my policy not to use names , but there are strong murmurs of a Triumvirate .The three people mentioned to me have skills that when combined would effect change at the local level to a degree I can only begin to imagine . One of these three would have to be an outspoken firebrand of exceptional bravery , a man who never ceases day in and day out to remind us of the cause , another would have to bring union experience to the table , and perhaps have a knowledge of the economic aspects of both unions and companies . Finally we would need a man capable of dealing with the local management and who has an ability to communicate clearly and concisely his views with not only the membership but also the executive leadership of us airways . I think many of you will know those to whom I allude . While I encourage these individuals to run , in the end it is solely their personal decision and neither I nor anyone else will think less of them if they decline .


And of course the field is still open ,so if there are those out there who are interested in running there is still time to do so .

 

[Tim Nelson]

😛h34r: I just want to remind everyone not to take your eye off the ball , and that ball is called WINNING , no matter what . If the IBEW gets voted in great , hooray ! If they don’t you still need to be prepared to field candidates in our upcoming elections . Do not make the mistake of becoming so obsessed with the IBEW that you let election time come and go . As we have seen in the recent past with the IBT , while it may SEEM as if they support us , in an instant that support can vanish and we’re back to square one . I know for some of you it’s going to be hard to be hypocritical :blink: in saying out with the IAM , but at the same time saying “elect so and so ! For IAM district president “ but that is exactly what we NEED to do .Winning at all costs should be on everyone’s mind , determine yourself to not fail . :angry:
As an aside to the PHX fleet service , I’m hearing names thrown around for the upcoming local election , It’s my policy not to use names , but there are strong murmurs of a Triumvirate .The three people mentioned to me have skills that when combined would effect change at the local level to a degree I can only begin to imagine . One of these three would have to be an outspoken firebrand of exceptional bravery , a man who never ceases day in and day out to remind us of the cause , another would have to bring union experience to the table , and perhaps have a knowledge of the economic aspects of both unions and companies . Finally we would need a man capable of dealing with the local management and who has an ability to communicate clearly and concisely his views with not only the membership but also the executive leadership of us airways . I think many of you will know those to whom I allude . While I encourage these individuals to run , in the end it is solely their personal decision and neither I nor anyone else will think less of them if they decline .
And of course the field is still open ,so if there are those out there who are interested in running there is still time to do so .

FWIW: while I personally am focused on helping the IBEW in its attempt to secure support, Freedom is right. The district nominations are in April and there has already been much discussion between our network and "Solid" United airline people. Hopefully, we won't have the IAM in April but we must stull be prepared in case. We will be needing one person in PHL, CLT, LAS, PHX to run on a ticket, 'if' the IAM is still around. IMO, the IBEW should be able to secure enough cards and then win an election, but again, as members of the masses, we must be prepared if the IAm remains.

regards,

 

[rat tales]

Rumor has it the IBEW is going to pay the AFLCIO fines. Can anyone confirm this? If this is true that has to show their commitment!

 

[crushed]

Rumor has it the IBEW is going to pay the AFLCIO fines.

That's what Boland said at the Philly meeting on Tuesday.

 

[Henderfuzz]

You know maybe Canale stood behind the T/A becasue it was a good deal for all.
It made sure everyone got a pay raise that we all deserve and it put us as equals.
Maybe he understands this is a very shaky industry and when you have a chance to get the raisies we would have got you need to grab it. Now here we stand with nothing in our pockets but more bills to pay for the forseable future. Than when we loose the COC we will have nothing for several more years as we wait to negociate another deal that you guys will think is substandard and vote it down too. At least at the end of the extension we had some leverage to gain all we lost. Go back and read it it was there but noone here cares to remeber that.
We are not skilled labor just keep that in mind when you think we should be making 24 or more an hour.
You also talk big about how it was so bad that the 12 or cities were in the T/A to be contracted out.
Lets see I dont remember seeing PIT on that list but oh look in Jan there will be loss of jobs there.
This company can close any station or downsize any station at anytime.
Oh and by the way what happened to plan b that all you guys for sure said was ready to be brought out when we turned this down, or what about they wont get the single certificate without us under one contract. Wow looks like we are still flying.

 

[allstrike]

You know maybe Canale stood behind the T/A becasue it was a good deal for all.
It made sure everyone got a pay raise that we all deserve and it put us as equals.

You were not getting a pay raise you were buying it.You were trading off holidays,paid medical,sick time,giving up the coc,and extending a BK contract for 2 bucks an hr.

 

[pjirish317]

Fuzz,
Please stop beating a dead horse. You and all who thought the TA was a good deal lost. Get used to the ramp wanting what they deserve from now on. The TA is DEAD, let it go. Those who voted no saw it for what it was worth, nothing. Now if you have anything intelligent to say about this topic, please feel free. But as far as anything related to the TA, LET IT GO. It's over stop crying. I firmly believe now that you are an I AM MANAGEMENT lackey still trying to sell something that NOBODY wnats. LET IT GO ALREADY!

 

[Kev3188]

You know maybe Canale stood behind the T/A becasue it was a good deal for all.

He might of thought that...And therein lies the problem. At the very least, once he saw the overwhelming "NO" votes, he could have changed his tune, or admitted that in hindsight it was't such a good deal.

But to stand in front of an entire room and flatout say he still thinks it was good just shows how out of touch he is with the floor.

It made sure everyone got a pay raise that we all deserve and it put us as equals.

Not really. You might have received raises, but in return many many Field stations got flushed down the tubes. Since you're in a Class II city, you out of anyone on here should have been shouting from the rooftops against that.

Maybe he understands this is a very shaky industry and when you have a chance to get the raisies we would have got you need to grab it.

Shaky indeed. That's why you lock in Scope first, and build from there. Your above statement just reinforces the very real concept that dozens of stations would be closed in the next few years.

Now here we stand with nothing in our pockets but more bills to pay for the forseable future. Than when we loose the COC we will have nothing for several more years as we wait to negociate another deal that you guys will think is substandard and vote it down too. At least at the end of the extension we had some leverage to gain all we lost. Go back and read it it was there but noone here cares to remeber that.

I don't know enough about your COC to comment, but from other posters on here it sounds like you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

We are not skilled labor just keep that in mind when you think we should be making 24 or more an hour.

You seem to underestimate yourself. Why the self-hate? As a Crew Chief at another airline, I hold no illusions about being "skilled" or not, but to say we're not a valuable piece of the puzzle is ridiculous. here is nothing wrong with wanting a living wage.

You also talk big about how it was so bad that the 12 or cities were in the T/A to be contracted out.Lets see I dont remember seeing PIT on that list but oh look in Jan there will be loss of jobs there.
This company can close any station or downsize any station at anytime.

Of course they can downsize, but to actually out into print the license to do so is disgusting at best. The IAM should be ashamed at the willingness they have to throw stations under the bus. After all, you said everyone should be equal, right? What then, is the difference between a ramper in PHL and one in DFW?

 

[Hadenough]

Sounds like Henderfuzz has been drinking too much KoolAid from Tempe

 

[perserverance]

700UW

''Let me explain this one more time, the IBEW is part of the AFL-CIO, they will not raid the IAM and will turn your cards down. ''


Its' statements like this...Why not ask how can they do it ? The IBEW is a very powerful union
and it wouldn't surprise me if after the meeting in PHL the IAM didn't talk to the IBEW and or the
company , with 2 scenarios..........1. IAM asking the IBEW if they have any intentions of seeking
to represent the workers in the IAM, even though thier both members of the AFL-CIO.
2. A phone call to the company informing them to decide who
they'd rather deal with them or the IBEW and I think the company would rather deal with the IAM.
The IAM is a company union, always have been, at least in the over 20years I've been here.

So whats the answer :
In my opinion the IBEW would happily pay any and all fines and penaltys
incurred for seeking to represent a AFL-CIO member. The IBEW see's the
injustices being placed upon a punch drunk workforce. They also are seeing
the unity by the same workforce when push comes to shove. Johnny ''Doc''
was at the Phl airport the other day and when asked by a worker if he would
personally be involved in negotiations, he replied, ''Absolutely, and I'm telling
you, look at me, I don't blink''....He knows we deserve more , I know we deserve
more.....I Believe Every Worker deserves more....


Thanks