Yes or no for the IBEW?

[GoldenRam94]

50% + 1 means you will not see the IBEW on the premises, and in doing so will also lose any hope.

Cut off your nose to spite your face if you must, but do not listen to some of the people who are feeding you the information. Research the rules and recognize the dangerous ground you are treading into.

 

[crushed]

50% + 1 means you will not see the IBEW on the premises

Ram,
Please tell me how many groups have ended up decertified because of a raid.

 

[Tim Nelson]

50% + 1 means you will not see the IBEW on the premises, and in doing so will also lose any hope.

Cut off your nose to spite your face if you must, but do not listen to some of the people who are feeding you the information. Research the rules and recognize the dangerous ground you are treading into.

Dangerous ground?

This type of election would cover a craft that already has a union and contract on the property, and another union that is raiding. In such cases, 99% of the time, a union wins. Over the past 10 years, out of thousands of cases, only once was a union raid unsuccessful. It involved 100 sky caps.
The research is convincing and strongly suggest a successful campaign. When one union is already on the property with a contract covering the craft, the chance of a union win is 99%. This is objective research and not opinion like what you have offered up. The reason for this is twofold. 1. workers don't want to lose a contract and go non-contract, 2. companies can't union bust in this type of campaign because they are under contract to coorperate [article 1].

Therefore, the unions are free to campaign with nil resistance from companies. and often a union will receive only 35% of the vote and still get voted in. Remember, the IAM received only 22% of the vote back in 1994, yet it secured representation rights.

regards,

 

[700UW]

It just happened this year with the Stock Clerks at PSA.

Vote was between the IAM and IBT and they did not get 50%+1 and the certification was dismissed and they are now non-union.

2007 NMB 2007 Determinations

NMB Determinations Archive

Happened last year the IBEW lost certication at Northern Air Cargo.

2005 IBT lost certification at GoJet, also at Astar Air Cargo.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

All the IAM has to do is press charges against them with the AFL-CIO and where is the official notice that the IBEW is raiding?

All I see is rampers passing out cards.

700,

Do you work for US as a US ramp agent?

 

[crushed]

It just happened this year with the Stock Clerks at PSA.

Only 2 of 23 stock clerks voted

 

[Tim Nelson]

It just happened this year with the Stock Clerks at PSA.

Vote was between the IAM and IBT and they did not get 50%+1 and the certification was dismissed and they are now non-union.

2007 NMB 2007 Determinations

NMB Determinations Archive

Happened last year the IBEW lost certication at Northern Air Cargo.

2005 IBT lost certification at GoJet, also at Astar Air Cargo.

700, there were no elections at Gojet, Astar, or Northern air that caused a revocation of the certification. I'm not sure what your point is since it is irrelevant? Read the casework.

PSA stock clerks were not represented at the time but, in fairness, I think you got it mixed up with the alleghany/piedmont stock clerks [2005 I think] which were partly represented by the IAM and IBT through a merger. The Piedmont stock clerks are represented by the IBT presently, nobody is non-union like you say.

Again, only one time in the past 10 years has a union raid been unsuccessful. One time 700, just once and it involved 100 sky caps, out of thousands of employees and hundreds of elections.

regards,

 

[700UW]

700, there were no elections at Gojet, Astar, or Northern air that caused a revocation of the certification. Read the casework. PSA stock clerks were not represented at the time but I think you got it mixed up with the piedmont stock clerks [2005 I think] which were partly represented by the IAM and IBT.

Only one time in the past 10 years has a union raid been unsuccessful.

regards,

Read the PSA case, they were represented by the IBT

PSA IBT NMB

 

[crushed]

Happened last year the IBEW lost certication at Northern Air Cargo.

All I can find is a NMB election dismissal in Oct. 2001

 

[Tim Nelson]

Read the PSA case, they were represented by the IBT

PSA IBT NMB

700, it was not due to an election. The IBT represented those folks but disclaimed any interest in their certification and presented this by letter to the NMB for a force revocation. When a union revokes its own certification it is with reason. Although this case has nothing to do with raids and elections, I'm somewhat interested in the reason why the IBT revoked their own certification and then allowed the IAM to have an election 45 days later. Usually this is because of mergers or 'something other'. At any rate, the NMB only revoked it due to the IBT's letter disclaiming interest in representing the stock clerks, again due to a merger or something other, but NOT because of an election.

regards,

 

[crushed]

2005 IBT lost certification at GoJet.

GoJet pilots are currently represented by the IBT.......Who raided?

 

[pjirish317]

700,
Just curious, how much do you get paid by the I AM MANAGEMENT union. If you still work for USAirways, are you a FSA? And if you do not work for us, why the strong opinion against organizing the IBEW? So back to my first ??. How much? And are you currently employed with us? If you are not employed with us anymore, why the resistance? Although i doubt i will get a response.

 

[Hadenough]

700 How about it?

Whats your stake in all of this? You have been asked this question a few times. Are you afraid the answer will discredit you?
We all know where Tim stands. He has a large stake in this issue.

 

[crushed]

2005 IBT lost certification at GoJet, also at Astar Air Cargo.

ASTAR Air Cargo, Inc.On December 27, 2004, the IBT disclaimed its certification of the Ground School Crew Trainers.

Again 700,
The question was.....How many groups have been decertified as the result of a RAID?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[phlforce]

700,
You seem like a troubled man with such anger. Is this how we get when we are retired??? :unsure:

ANGER GETS YOU NOWHERE