Attitude = Reality

[Jet Tech]

Bear96,

The so called "Religous Right" is correct on one thing. The decline of morals, values & ethics is now begining to tear at our social fabric. One need look no further then the AMFA picket lines and those who cross to gain first hand evidence.

We as a society worship false Gods. The Gods of "Me First" & "Immediate Gratification" are 2 that come to mind whilst the Commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself" lays bleeding, cold and starving like some tramp on the street. I would like to ask the "replacement's" on here to politely explain how their actions demonstrates exactly how they are loving their neighbors as themselves?

I would also love to know how many of them went to church last Sunday and professed their love of Jesus, while ignoring one of the basic tenets of the faith.

Christ threw the Money Lenders from the Temple NOT because they were Sinners but because they were Hypocrits. So again I would ask the "Replacements", "What would you give in exchange for your soul?"

Ok, I've tried to control myself, but this has to be anwsered. What are you, the Devel trying to make a deal. What would you give in exchange for your soul?! Who died and left you to decide what is right and wrong. Who left you to determine what it means to "Love thy Neighbor". For that matter, what right do any of you have to determine right from wrong. The term neighbor is probably a generalization to include all of man kind. So don't play the religion card Bob, because its not your suit. And if you want a good example of a Hypocrit go look in the mirror. You preach about loving thy neighbor then come here and call people who are just trying to make a living and provide for thier families SCABS. I may be wrong but I do believe that classifies as harassment.... Is that what you call loving your neighbor. How about leaving your neighbor stranded in a terminal 2000 miles from home because your in a spitting match with the neighbor that you just happen to work for.

Your right, there is a decline in morals, values & ethics. And so long as there are people in this world that can't see past their own beliefs, there always will be. What you define as a decline in values is nothing more than you just beginning to see what has always been there. Nothing about morals or values has changed since the Days of Cesar, people are just more open about it now. The problem is simple, your just to close minded to see, or accept it, and that goes for the rest of us out there that either can't or don't want to see the forest for the trees.

You are by far the most negative, self destructive individual I have encountered. Your posts are filled with the demise of civilization and destruction of the world because someone crossed a picket line. Your darn right I crossed it, and I'd do it again if I had the chance. Because like it or not, believe it or not, Unionism is the base root of Communism. Take that one to bed with you. Your so high and mighty on history, research that one.

Oh, and by the way, don't try to include me in your "Society", because it sucks.

You are very correcet in stating that our moral fabric is being torn assunder, but let me ask you this...what is more damaging to our children...the constant barrage of violence, obscenities, filth and hatred spewed forth on a monumental scale by big media and big hollywood, or the fact that some retired united guy, or laid off pemco inspecter, or veteran contractor happens to take a job left vacant by strikers?
Instant gratification? Dude, hate to tell ya this, bu tI'm in this for the long haul, for better or worse. If ya want to stop me, Ya gotta destroy me.
Speaking of hypocrites, how is 'Loving ty nieghbor" demonstrated by Comparing me to rapists? By false accusations of pencil whipping? by threats and pathetic attempts at intimidation? I challenge you to go back over all these posts, OBJECTIVELY, and tell me on which side most of the hatred has come, as opposed to which side uses comon sense, logic and humor to make a point.
It is also written that man cannot serve two masters, for he will come to love the one, and hate the other. how many here has a union as master, as opposed to the almighty?
As to my soul, while I thank you for your concern, that is between me and my maker. I stand ready to atone for all my sins....do you?

All hail the dumb Jarhead with only a highschool education......WHAT THE HELL DOES HE KNOW?

<<<<<<<<QUOTE>>>>>>>>>>>>Correct me if Im wrong, but Didnt all the strikers have the option of not participating?
Let me put it this way...if the strike never happened, but the 53% still got laid off, with a decent severence package, I not only would have supported them, I would have been more than happy to help out in any way I could. There is no getting around the fact that there was no gun to anybody's head to strike. It ws a CHOICE. Granted a difficult one, I'll give you that, but a choice nonetheless.

<<<<<<<<<<ANSWER>>>>>>

No choice for me.....How could I show up for work when they took my parking away and no way to enter the airport. They didn't want me to show up!!!! <_<

WHY???? :blink:

Because NWA would have egg on their faces when you scabs showed up to do MY JOB as well as me showing up to do MY JOB. Yep they made sure I wasn't showing up for work no way no how.....THEY FORCED A STRIKE....PERIOD....

YOU"RE WRONG......I"M RIGHT.....

You can say and think whatever you have to in order for you to continue living without having your concience bother you...but you my evil job stealer are wrong...and you are a scab and you will always be branded a scab...and your concience will catch up with you soon.....

No. Your wrong, CSAR is right. You all knew that the strike was coming. If you didn't your just flat our blind or really stupid, take your pick. It was your choice to support the strike. You knew it was coming, you all knew we were ready, you could have gone to MGmt and told them you didn't want to strike. You might still have your job, and don't tell me you couldn't, because I work with those who did. Regardless of what you or anyone else may think, you had a choice. As far as concience catching up? Dude I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

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Jet Tech,

First off, I never called you a racist !!!!!!!!!

Therefore "DO NOT EVER accuse me of calling YOU a racist"

Secondly, If your Not from south of the Mason Dixon line, then I'm WRONG.

But because I "suspected" you "might" be.......AND your not saying, then the possibility STILL exist's.

As far as the majority of the "segragated" South goes, Well I'll let HISTORY decide if my "assumption" is correct.

Either way, surely you don't think that racism ENDED the very next day, after the Civil Rights Law was signed into effect by President Johnson, in the mid 60's ????
NH/BB's

No. I don't think Rasim is gone, doubt that it ever will be. Yes you are right, I'm from Florida. No, despite the stero type, not everyone from south of the MDL is racist nor are the majority of towns segragated. Finally, when you boldly state that someone is tought to hate, you are insinuating, which may be construde as an acusation.

 

[groundcontrol]

no I'm right your wrong !!!!!!!!!!

you're stuck with a loosing company....NOT ME...

you're stuck with a higher pay for health ins. NOT ME....

you're stuck with a minimum wage....NOT ME....


reality is.........after January 17th

I wouldn't have stayed to work for a looser company anyway....

loosers deserve loosers....you are where you belong...

LOOSER :down:

 

[groundcontrol]

<<<<<<<<Quote Jet Tech>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You knew it was coming, you all knew we were ready, you could have gone to MGmt and told them you didn't want to strike. You might still have your job, and don't tell me you couldn't, because I work with those who did.

<<<<<<<<<YA OK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

go to management.....HAhaHAha
the same mgt. that helped train and hire SCABS....
Ya ok that was an option....sure.... :blink:

You don't get it, it's not MY JOB anymore, IT'S YOURS!!!!


Live with it....I would have quite anyway....I don't work for tyrants....go ahead you can....I have more integrity than that....

BUT I DAM WELL WILL.... STAY STRONG, STAY UNITED AND STAY COMMITTED.....

 

[finman]

Please explain to ALL of us here just exactly how your decision to cross a picket line improved or added value to society.

They are contributing toward an effort that may save the remaining 30K+ jobs at NWA. I would consider that exponentially more valuable than any of the percieved negative consequences of their actions. I, for one, will be eternally grateful to the replacment workers if NWA is able to emerge as a viable, competitive airline.

 

[Bagbelt]

Traditionally communism would have nothing to do with labor unions, they are seen as a tool by capitalists to vent worker frustration. I fail to see how collective bargining can be honestly compared to a movement that wanted to reengineer human society. It doesn't work, it assumes everyone will do the right thing. The same can be said about unrestrained capitalism. The only viable answer lies somewhere in between. Child labor laws, the 40 hour week, sick time, retirement, workmans comp, and yes the right to form unions were rights people died for. To cross a picket line is a disgrace wether you like or hate unions. Especially when you wrap yourself in God and country while betraying your own.

 

[finman]

I and others would argue that NWA doesn't not deserve to survive based solely upon its treatment of workers.

So you would argue that the 30K+ employees would be better off without a job? The individuals whose demise you wish to see (executive-level decision makers) are not the ones that will see hardship if NWA liquidates. The fact remains that the tens of thousands of remaining employees want nothing more than for NWA to succeed, and your wishes to the contrary are either misguided or just downright cruel.

 

[finman]

Well your logic sounds to me like:

Hey Hitler is an OK guy! Look the trains run on time and I have a good job. So what if a few Jews get killed in the process it's better for everyone else.

Society as a whole is better off without morally Bankrupt companies such as Enron, Adelphia & NWA both in the short & long term.

Like I said elsewhere, what NWA is attempting, makes the folks at US Airways look like Mother Theresa in comparison.

I thought you at least made somewhat reasoned arguments up until this point. I basically turn off anybody that has the gall to liken anything to Hitler. Get a grip, this is a company that is trying to restructure, which is not an easy process. How can you bring Hitler into this?

Even the Enron comparison is completely misguided, but I guess when moral equivelance is accepted as logic, then all attempts at reasoned debate are out the window.

 

[Hackman]

So you would argue that the 30K+ employees would be better off without a job? The individuals whose demise you wish to see (executive-level decision makers) are not the ones that will see hardship if NWA liquidates. The fact remains that the tens of thousands of remaining employees want nothing more than for NWA to succeed, and your wishes to the contrary are either misguided or just downright cruel.

My friends that are done with Scab Air would argue that they are better off than being at a dead end carrier in the toilet. Dougie Stealin' and his band of miscreants will wear the failed executive albatross if Scab Air liquidates, which is well deserved and desired by the thousands they screwed. Hopefully these worthless executives will be shunned by the rest of the business world, I don't know who would want them. What's misguided and cruel is how Scab Air management has mistreated its dedicated former employees, while bilking millions into their greedy pockets.

As we all know finman, nothing you management bastards do is wrong, its all the workers and the unions fault. AMFA members didn't want this strike, it was forced upon them by Scab Air management. The NewCo and GroundCo business plan will fail, no airline within an airline has succeeded yet.

To now state that Scab Air management now suddenly cares about the suffering and hardships of its devastated employees, is nothing short of sickening. :angry:

 

[finman]

Hmm strike a nerve finman? you basically stated that "Anything Goes" as long as 30,000 jobs get preserved and yours is one of them? Hitler was the same! As long as his goals of master race were fowarded then anything else was just fine and dandy. Kinda like your companies decision to throw the mechanics out on the street. Morally, ethically that decision is no different than "The Final Solution" offered in the 40's.

I guess if you see no difference between murdering 6 million poeple and downsizing a company to remain competitive, then we can really not have an intelligent debate. I have to presume that others on this board have a little more understanding of moral relavitism, and will not tolerate making light of "real" human suffering that the Jews endured.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Traditionally communism would have nothing to do with labor unions, they are seen as a tool by capitalists to vent worker frustration. I fail to see how collective bargining can be honestly compared to a movement that wanted to reengineer human society. It doesn't work, it assumes everyone will do the right thing. The same can be said about unrestrained capitalism. The only viable answer lies somewhere in between. Child labor laws, the 40 hour week, sick time, retirement, workmans comp, and yes the right to form unions were rights people died for. To cross a picket line is a disgrace wether you like or hate unions. Especially when you wrap yourself in God and country while betraying your own.

OH MY EVER LOVIN' GOD!!! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAYT THE USSR ACTUALLY STOOD FOR? ARE YOU REMOTLY AWARE OF THEBASIC TENENTS OF MARXIST LENINISTS? DOES THE TERM "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE" RING A BELL? I know, sorry about the caps, but to claim that communism, which as we all know can never realistically exist, and which most closely resembles socialism, was not based on workers revolt is GROSSLY inaccurate.

 

[robbedagain]

finman i just wonder why you dont understand the fact that what MGMT is doing is destroying people's livelyhoods. When the he!! will you and the rest of those mgmt b@$t@rds wake up and smell the burnt coffee and ;earnt o take big paycuts and see how difficult it is living on those $h!tty wages that the crooks of nwa wantrs the employees to live on. i know that you are part of mgmt so i wouldnt expect much of a repsonse from you anyhow

 

[Bagbelt]

OH MY EVER LOVIN' GOD!!! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAYT THE USSR ACTUALLY STOOD FOR? ARE YOU REMOTLY AWARE OF THEBASIC TENENTS OF MARXIST LENINISTS? DOES THE TERM "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE" RING A BELL? I know, sorry about the caps, but to claim that communism, which as we all know can never realistically exist, and which most closely resembles socialism, was not based on workers revolt is GROSSLY inaccurate.

Again the right to collective bargining is legal. What that has to do with a 19th century German philosipher or the monstrosities that bore his name is a strech. The reason rights have been won over the years was to quell social upheaval, not because big business cared.

 

[groundcontrol]

groundcontrol, are you a mechanic?

Not for the last 5 months
Haven't resigned yet....
Guess you could still call me one...

 

[PITbull]

For months now I have listened to the most vile slander that I have ever heard in my life regarding the Northwest strike, replacement workers and direction of the company. Everyone from the AMFA Mechanics on strike to the flight attendants seem to do nothing but complain. I am proud to admit that I am a replacement worker, further more, I am very proud of what I have accomplished. That being said, I have just one simple message to the overwhelming pessimestic masses. edited by moderator If you are so unhappy with the way things are going, quit and find another job. I learned along time ago that your focus and attitude will determine your reality. You were born with the ability to make decisions, you have the ability to effect your reality and the way I see it you have two choices. Quit complaining and be happy with what you have, or continue to complain and be misserable. Now I may be just unusual, but from where I'm sitting, anyone who chooses to live in self-induced missery has got some serious mental issues. If you don't like the way that things are going, leave, but for Gods sake SHUT UP!!!!!

You've just been Walmartisized.

I guess if you see no difference between murdering 6 million poeple and downsizing a company to remain competitive, then we can really not have an intelligent debate. I have to presume that others on this board have a little more understanding of moral relavitism, and will not tolerate making light of "real" human suffering that the Jews endured.

Finman,

Hmmm, Neil doesn't happen to be your twin? Sounds to me like the same script and playwriter of U. Someone hit your "nerve". B)

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I thought you at least made somewhat reasoned arguments up until this point.

I agree 100%. Piney, you are going off the deep end on this one.

Actually, yes.

Is it as bad as me getting mugged by angry passengers in the jetway because the plane is empty and they are still waiting on strollers?

But you trust Scab Air management 'Cods???? :blink: :blink:

I have seen the operation and like what I see, otherwise I would have been gone long ago.