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1.5% Raise On May 1

What will you do with your $.38 an hour raise

  • 1. Buy a new car

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  • 2. Buy a new house

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  • 3. Contribute to the TWA employees lawsuit for full seniority

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  • 4. Raise your 401k contribution rate

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  • 5. Blow it all on women and drink

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If you take this raise and invest in your future! In ten years it could very well turn into 12,000 dollars.

Its just a matter of how you choose to spend it!

Are you one of these individuals who walk pass a penny on the floor or do you pick it up and invest it?

One thing I do know, The raise I received is a pay check from a company which the employees choose to invest in when they passed the last contract!

You could be one of the tens of thousands on the unemployment line within the airline industry. Or one of those employees who voted for a organization who believe in outsourcing work!!!!!!!!
 
If you consider $0.38 a raise so be it. But with inflation running more than 1.5% we lost money. Maybe those who will accept groveling for crumbs enjoy the AIP checks we get.

It is not being negative it is being realistic. It is a real gut buster to read comments like cio's twisted logic. Hey, cio, maybe you can buy an identity with your raise?

Now, how much of a bonus did management get?
 
Checking it Out said:
If you take this raise and invest in your future! In ten years it could very well turn into 12,000 dollars.

Its just a matter of how you choose to spend it!

Are you one of these individuals who walk pass a penny on the floor or do you pick it up and invest it?

One thing I do know, The raise I received is a pay check from a company which the employees choose to invest in when they passed the last contract!

You could be one of the tens of thousands on the unemployment line within the airline industry. Or one of those employees who voted for a organization who believe in outsourcing work!!!!!!!!
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No, we should all take this raise and buy you a brain cio. Many twu members are required to have second jobs because they don't live in Tulsa like you, these concessions are causing growing number of mechanics to quit. Of course, the 514 doesn't care about these workers.

Most mechanics don't have money to invest as we've lost $25,000+ a year, the kids have to eat first. Jim Do-little decided to pass this contract on his own, not the employees. We were promised a re-vote which was denied by an unelected twu dictator. We also had 3000 twu members who did not get to vote.

We have 6000 thousand on the street and more to come cio, you seem to consistantly forget this while you continue your moronic anti-AMFA diatribes . AMFA has fought outsourcing every step of the way. When a rogue corporation like NWA invokes a force majeure clause to violate the contract at will, it gets rough. This is nothing but pure union busting because AMFA has refused to give in to concessions. If the twu was representing NWA, they would have rolled over years ago, as they are wholly owned by their company masters.

I guess AMFA could always do what the twu dictatorship have done since 1983; roll over for concessions like a CHEAP WHORE and ask for some extra KY jelly from the man. This is how you save jobs right cio? Ask MCIE how this works for them. Better yet, ask US Air and the iam.

Are you going to beg for an twu International position when manAAgement comes after us again? They need more dummies and sellouts like yourself.....no paycuts for these clowns. :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:
 
hackman, "What the hell are you talking about"???? You profess that you have concern to mechanics quitting the industry? Don't you promote an association that forces the ouster of qualified A&P mechanics "from this industry"? Hell man, they are flooding the market with these folks! And yet you profess disdain to the loss of employment of qualified A&P mechanics? "Geeesh hackman", maybe you need to reconsider your position...!!!!! :blink:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Have you had enough yet....????
 
Checking it Out said:
If you take this raise and invest in your future! In ten years it could very well turn into 12,000 dollars.

Its just a matter of how you choose to spend it!
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If I took the value of the individual concessions I took, and invested that amount, how much could that be worth in 10 years? B)
 
Checking it Out said:
You could be one of the tens of thousands on the unemployment line within the airline industry. Or one of those employees who voted for a organization who believe in outsourcing work!!!!!!!!
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If I was willing to work on aircraft parts for $5.75 per hour.

Would unemployment be zero?

You damn fool! What is the current outsource percentage at AA?

How many TWA Mechanics have hit the street while TWU work is outsourced?

You've got a one track mind and cannot see your own union's faults. It is called my wife gets a TWU Officers Paycheck blindless and lasik surgery will not correct it.
 
High Speed Steel said:
hackman, "What the hell are you talking about"???? You profess that you have concern to mechanics quitting the industry? Don't you promote an association that forces the ouster of qualified A&P mechanics "from this industry"? Hell man, they are flooding the market with these folks! And yet you profess disdain to the loss of employment of qualified A&P mechanics? "Geeesh hackman", maybe you need to reconsider your position...!!!!! :blink:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Have you had enough yet....????
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You have your head up your steel a$$ again. I have friends at both UAL and NWA. Some are laid off and some are not. Now, get this.... not one of them would want their union to lie down in bed with management in the way your twu 514 and its "leader" has, pretending that they are "going to take care of me because I gave in like they wanted and we are now buddies". They don't want the iam back. They sure as hell don't want the weak candyass sellouts that is the twu. This is why you have not ONE card drive for the afl-cio sellout unions. Nil, nothing, not....

Let me ask you this Professor Steel; Are going to hold your twu and the rest of the afl-cio unions feet to the same fire you hold AMFA to??? Hmmmm???? As I tried to explain to your very obtuse friend cio, we have massive AA concessions with 6000 on the street. The US Air M@R have taken 3 rounds of massive concessions and they have thousands on the street, and the airline looks to be over and done except for investors that keep pumping money into them. Now with your "reasoning", this is ALL THE FAULT OF THE afl-cio, and the iam, IS THAT CORRECT????

I want be absolutely sure I understand your demented premise that airline layoffs are the unions fault..... period....... of which can be prevented with massive concessions. (Re. The twu saved 12,000 jobs and 3 maintenence bases). This, along with the outsourcing and all the rest of the horrible events that have taken place; blame must be laid on the unions? Right?

....again your quote LSMHSS: "Don't you promote an association that forces the ouster of qualified A&P mechanics "from this industry"

My god, that's right on par with the most ASSININE statement i've ever heard a twu bubba grunt yet.
 
Checking it Out said:
If you take this raise and invest in your future! In ten years it could very well turn into 12,000 dollars.

Its just a matter of how you choose to spend it!

Are you one of these individuals who walk pass a penny on the floor or do you pick it up and invest it?

One thing I do know, The raise I received is a pay check from a company which the employees choose to invest in when they passed the last contract!
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:shock: How about letting us HONESTLY choose which union will be representing us. :up:
 
enough already said:
:shock: How about letting us HONESTLY choose which union will be representing us. :up:
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Oh no, that would be democratic, and in a twu dick-tatorship....that's not allowed.

Remember, according to the twu, you are not capable of making decisions. Jim Do-little and rest of the unelected International will make those for you. :down: :angry: :down: :angry:

Repeat the twu lie; the twu saved 12000 jobs and 3 maint. bases.... the twu saved 12000 jobs and 3 maint. bases.....the twu saved 12000 jobs and 3 maint. bases.....you are now under a Do-little mind control trance..... 😛h34r: 😛h34r: 😛h34r:
 
E. V. Debs
Arouse, ye slaves!

Written: March 10, 1906
First Published: Appeal to Reason, March 10, 1906
Source: Library of Congress microfilm collection called “Collected Speeches and Writings of Eugene Victor Debs.â€
Online Version: E.V. Debs Internet Archive, 2001
Transcribed/HTML Markup: John Metz for the Illinois Socialist Party Debs Archive & David Walters for the Marxists Internet Archive Debs Archive

The latest and boldest stroke of plutocracy, but for the blindness of the people, would have startled the nation.

Murder has been plotted and is about to be executed in the name and under the forms of law.

Men who will not yield to corruption and browbeating must be ambushed, spirited away and murdered.

That is the edict of the Mine Owners’ Association of the Western states and their Standard Oil backers and pals in Wall Street, New York.

These gory-beaked vultures are to pluck out the heart of resistance to their tyranny and robbery, that labor may be left stark naked at their mercy.

Charles Moyer and Wm. D. Haywood, of the Western Federation of Miners, and their official colleagues—men, all of them, and every inch of them—are charged with the assassination of ex-Governor Frank Streunenberg, of Idaho, who simply reaped what he had sown, as a mere subterfuge to pounce upon them in secret, rush them out o the state by special train, under heavy guard, clap them into the penitentiary, convict them upon the purchased perjured testimony of villains, and strangle them to death with the hangman’s noose.

It is a foul plot; a damnable conspiracy; a hellish outrage.

The governors of Idaho and Colorado say they have the proof to convict. They are brazen falsifiers and venal villains, the miserable tools of the mine owners who, themselves, if anybody, deserve the gibbet.

Moyer, Haywood and their comrades had no more to do with the assassination of Steunenberg than I had; the charge is a ghastly lie, a criminal calumny, and is only an excuse to murder men who are too rigidly honest to betray their trust and too courageous to succumb to threat and intimidation.

Labor leaders that cringe before the plutocracy and do its bidding are apotheosized; those that refuse must be foully murdered.

Personally and intimately do I know Moyer, Haywood, Pettibone, St. John and their official coworkers, an I will stake my life on their honor and integrity; and that is precisely the crime for which, according to the words of the slimy sleuth who worked up the case against them, “they shall never leave Idaho alive.â€

Well, by the gods, fi they don’t the governors of Idaho and Colorado and their masters from Wall Street, New York, to the Rocky Mountains had better prepare to follow them.

Nearly twenty years ago the capitalist tyrants put some innocent men to death for standing up for labor.

They are now going to try it again. Let them dare!

There have been twenty years of revolutionary education, agitation and organization since the Haymarket tragedy, and if an attempt is made to repeat it, there will be a revolution and I will do all in my power to precipitate it.

The crisis has come and we have got to meet it. Upon the issue involved the whole body of organized labor can unite and every enemy of plutocracy will join us. From the farms, the factories and stores will pour the workers to meet the redhanded destroyers of freedom, the murderers of innocent men and the archenemies of the people.

Moyer and Haywood are our comrades, staunch and true, and if we do not stand by them to the shedding of the last drop of blood in our veins, we are disgraced forever and deserve the fate of cringing cowards.

We are not responsible for the issue. It is not of our seeking. It has been forced upon us; and for the very reason that we deprecate violence and abhor bloodshed we cannot desert our comrades and allow them to be put to death. If they can be murdered without cause so can we, and so will we be dealt with at the pleasure of these tyrants.

They have driven us to the wall and now let us rally our forces and face them and fight.

If they attempt to murder Moyer, Haywood and their brothers, a million revolutionists, at least, will meet them with guns.

They have done their best and their worst to crush and enslave us. Their politicians have betrayed us, their courts have thrown us into jail without trial and their soldiers have shot our comrades dead in their tracks.

The worm turns at last, and so does the worker.

Let them dare to execute their devilish plot and every state in this Union will resound with the tramp of revolution.

Get ready, comrades, for action! No other course is left to the working class. Their courts are closed to us except to pronounce our doom. To enter their courts is simply to be mulcted of our meager means and bound hand and foot; to have our eyes plucked out by the vultures that fatten upon our misery.

Capitalist courts never have done, and never will do, anything for the working class.

Whatever is done we must do ourselves, and if we stand up like men from the Atlantic to the Pacific and from Canada to the Gulf, we will strike terror to their cowardly hearts and they will be but too eager to relax their grip upon our throats and beat a swift retreat.

We will watch every move they make and in the meantime prepare for action.

A special revolutionary convention of the proletariat at Chicago, or some other central point, would be in order, and, if extreme measures are required, a general strike could be ordered and industry paralyzed as a preliminary to a general uprising.

If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it.
 
High Speed Steel said:
hackman, "What the hell are you talking about"????  You profess that you have concern to mechanics quitting the industry? Don't you promote an association that forces the ouster of qualified A&P mechanics "from this industry"? Hell man, they are flooding the market with these folks!  And yet  you profess disdain to the loss of employment of qualified A&P mechanics?  "Geeesh hackman", maybe you need to reconsider your position...!!!!!  :blink:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Have you had enough yet....????
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The ouster of qualified A&Ps?

Come on now, lets get to the facts as to which union has eliminated more A&P jobs than any other.

The fact is A&P jobs can be eliminated by layoffs or attrition. Attrition takes time, and that has been the approach that the TWU has taken, but make no mistake about it the TWU has eliminated more A&P jobs than any other union. In order for a mechanic to be laid off the job had to exist, the TWU has worked with AA for the last twenty years making sure that the jobs never exsisted in the first place.

So while CIO and HSS sit back and criticize how A&P mechanics at other airlines are getting laid off the fact is that those mechanics were employed because the unions at those places did not adopt the TWUs policy of eliminating A&P positions by transferring work to other members of the same union at lower pay rates. At other airlines the growth of A&P jobs was proportionately higher because work was not siphoned away from the craft.

In 1983 the TWU took R&D away from A&Ps and gave it to lower paid FSC workers, thousands of A&P jobs were effectively eliminated. A&Ps saw job opportunities in smaller airports dissapear thanks to the TWU. A&P mechanics in smaller stations like Buffalo had to either move or bump into another classification. Either way their A&P job in Buffalo was gone-permanently.

In 1995, after the members pushed to eliminate B-scale the TWU created a permanent B-scale with the creation of another dues paying, lower paid classification of workers that would eliminate more A&P positions. They created the SRP. A&P mechanics were forced out of the shops and replaced by lower paid SRPs. Once again, thousands of A&P jobs were eliminated as the company continued to expand. Corporate exansion coincided with reduced opportunities for A&P mechanics with the TWU. So even in the best of times the TWU represented A&P mechanic was locked into a concessionary climate.

Other unions refused to do this. A&P jobs at other airlines grew at roughly the same rate as other classifications. They refused to siphon away work or create new B-scales(TWU was the first in the industry to accept B-scales too), and it was twenty years later that they were forced to follow the TWU, and in at least two cases it was with the intervention of the Bankruptcy court that they were forced to adopt TWU pioneered concessions. This has resulted in the large RIFs we see at those carriers. Despite the fact that the TWU had already eliminated thousands of A&P jobs AA still laid off thousands more A&Ps and the TWU is an eager participant in plans to permanently eliminate even more A&P jobs.

While other unions have challenged the loss of A&P jobs the TWU has actively endorsed the companies actions. (What ever happened to the Force Majeure grievance?)


So let those clowns keep spinning the truth, the fact is that for over twenty years the TWU has been systematically destroying our profession. Eliminating opportunities for A&Ps in smaller airports and in the back shops at overhaul. Sure the TWU kept the numbers of dues payers up but they did so at the cost of having workers make less money for doing the same job. Such policies is what has given the TWU the reputation as a "company friendly" "union(?)".
 
Wow man, you better get that prescription refilled ASAP, you're losing it. I think the drugs are called ProzAAc.
 
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