1.5% Raise On May 1

[Bob Owens]

Considering that Cathay's fleet is almost entirely widebodies, and that AA's is predominantly narrowbody, I'd expect them to have more employees per aircraft. 

Look at it on a seat mile basis, or even just seats per departure basis, and they're far more efficient.

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Should we use the same criteria when comparing AA and SWA too?

Lets also not forget that the figure for employees includes AA six layers of management.

 

[Connected1]

Lets also not forget that the figure for employees includes AA six layers of management.

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Well, somebody finally made the mistake of saying this one too many times. I took the time to do my homework. Here is what I found:

* In the WSJ journal article dated 4/22/05 regarding the 1.5% raise, AMR announced that 6,500 of its 85,000 employees are management. That's 7.7%.

* In their 10-K filed for the year ending 12/31/04, Southwest claimed that 4,183 of its 31,011 employees are management. That's 13.5%.

You can set your assertions and anecdotes aside now. You have data.

 

[mjk]

Don't worry, Bob won't let the facts get in the way of his quest to possibly become the most bitter employee on the property.

Maybe I should invite him down for our Guadalupe River tubing trip this summer. It's been a long winter up there, let him come down here, drink some ice cold beer and enjoy a relaxing float thru the Texas Hill Country.

 

[Bob Owens]

Connected1,May 1 2005, 09:28 PM]
Well, somebody finally made the mistake of saying this one too many times. I took the time to do my homework. Here is what I found:

* In the WSJ journal article dated 4/22/05 regarding the 1.5% raise, AMR announced that 6,500 of its 85,000 employees are management. That's 7.7%.

Well I think those numbers are a little off. The AMR annual report says that AMR has 92100 employees. Are we to believe that Eagle only has 7100 employees?

* In their 10-K filed for the year ending 12/31/04, Southwest claimed that 4,183 of its 31,011 employees are management. That's 13.5%.

You can set your assertions and anecdotes aside now. You have data.


So how many layers of management does AA have?

Obviously the larger the company the lower the ratio should be.

 

[Connected1]

So how many layers of management does AA have?

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Fewer than Southwest, apparently. It is not surprising with all of the manual work that Southwest still does in their corporate headquarters.

BTW, I believe AMR's 10-K number is physical employees. The 85,000 are FTEs. We can bump that denominator up to 92,000 if you like, though. That's only going to lower the percentage of management.

 

[eolesen]

Why let the facts get in the way of Bob's opinion?...

 

[DECISION 2007]

Why let the facts get in the way of Bob's opinion?...

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ya think?