2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[BLUTO]

 
I would like to hear them.  I'd also like to know how you intend to influence people with your consistently confrontational and antagonistic tone and arguments based on hyperbole and name-calling.
 
 
But how again is it any of your business?  You're not in any UNION.  Do you work for AA?  What is your basis of participation besides apparent bitterness and who are you that any of us should care what you have to say?
 
There have been a good number of people with a tenuous connection to events or none at all in the past that have come through these forums simply because they're a convenient soapbox for self-righteous and mean-spirited bloviating, who otherwise live emotionally-unfulfilled lives and fill the void by yelling at people on the internet.  I'm wondering if you're not just another in a long line.
 
Have a great day!
 
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[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I would like to hear them.

I don't wish to comment on this as it would start a fire that would impact current employees.
 
That may seem like a dodge but I have to put the welfare of my ex coworkers above my want to vent.
 
I hope you understand.
 

I'd also like to know how you intend to influence people with your consistently confrontational and antagonistic tone and arguments based on hyperbole and name-calling.

I don't feel like I am that way with most people on this forum.
 
The people I do "confront" tend to have heavy and vocal political views with which I do not agree. They try to sell the philosophy that to be UNION is to be Democrat. From my point of view they are not for UNIONS at all, they are simply for furthering a political agenda. From my viewpoint that kind of thinking has poisoned today's UNIONs. I feel like UNIONs today are less about representing employees and more about pushing the ideals of socialism and liberalism.
 
My expectation for a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can and enforce the agreement, not tell me how to vote or endorse political agendas. Especially ones that have nothing to do with labor.
 
I would also like to point out two of the people I "confront" I have caught in numerous lies or posting falsified data, usually sourced from a leftist political group, as fact to try to manipulate public opinion. 
 
Here is a prime example posted by Ms Tree. He tried to post an essay written by two liberal mouthpieces and present it as fact.
 

And yet the reality is quite different.  Imagine my surprise that you got your facts wrong .... again.
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0312/High-divorce-rates-and-teen-pregnancy-are-worse-in-conservative-states-than-liberal-states

 

 
and my reply
 

Lets look at the people who wrote the article
 
http://www.law.gwu.edu/Faculty/profile.aspx?id=1706
A feminist liberal
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/june-carbone/
and a liberal mouthpiece
 
All you posted was an ESSAY written by a couple of libtards.
 
Don't you ever get tired of looking stupid?

 

But how again is it any of your business?  You're not in any UNION.  Do you work for AA?  What is your basis of participation besides apparent bitterness and who are you that any of us should care what you have to say?

I still have recall and could transfer. It would be an act of desperation on my part to go back to AA but you never know what the future will bring. 
 
It is my business because my spouse still works for American Airlines. I am still directly impacted by TWU contracts.
 
You are trying to paint me as an outsider looking in with no vested interest in TWU contracts and that simply is not true.
 
You ask who I am that anyone should care about what I say? I am someone who made an investment in the TWU for 12 years and who's household continues to invest in them. Does 14 years of my household funding the TWU (even today.... with TWO people contributing mind you) not allow me to have an opinion? I am not an outsider looking in, I was employed there for over a decade.
 

There have been a good number of people with a tenuous connection to events or none at all in the past that have come through these forums simply because they're a convenient soapbox for self-righteous and mean-spirited bloviating, who otherwise live emotionally-unfulfilled lives and fill the void by yelling at people on the internet.  I'm wondering if you're not just another in a long line.

I would hardly call 12 years of employment a tenuous connection. 
 
You are right about one thing, I do have an agenda for being here. However, I could say the same for every poster here. If you come here without an agenda then what is the point? You can talk shop at the shop.
 
Are you telling me that in your opinion someone with recall and the ability to transfer who personally invested in the TWU for 12 years and who's household STILL invest in them should have no opinion about UNION representation or contract negotiations?

 

[AANOTOK]

It still baffles me that a union (and the biggest on the property) can/would allow the company to provide an immediate 4% raise to all other employees, both union and non union without putting up any fight. Self proclaimed "Militant" Lombardo was going to be different. Hey Harry, other work groups are enjoying more money while your members have received nothing since your regime has taken over. Prefunding, nothing, even postponed the arbitration hoping the F/A's could fight your battle. 4%, nothing, sent a letter stating you were disappointed...

 

[Black Magic]

The answer to.that always comes back to $$. 4% means nothing to the twu/iam if one them has to bow out to get a joint contract. The unions $$ is most imprtant, the membership comes 2nd.

 

[ChockJockey]

 I feel like UNIONs today are less about representing employees and more about pushing the ideals of socialism and liberalism.

 
You are doing God's work.  I can see ol' Joe McCarthy in heaven now, smiling down upon your efforts with a big tent pole in his trousers.
 

I would also like to point out two of the people I "confront" I have caught in numerous lies or posting falsified data, usually sourced from a leftist political group, as fact to try to manipulate public opinion. 
 
Here is a prime example posted by Ms Tree. He tried to post an essay written by two liberal mouthpieces and present it as fact.
 
 
and my reply

 
Couldn't be bothered to read.  The Water Cooler is 90% morons arguing with misconceptions.  It's most useful in studying the different ways people from all over the spectrum can be passionately uninformed about the most basic issues.  Most of the users on this site have more sense than to go there, myself not included.
 

I still have recall and could transfer. It would be an act of desperation on my part to go back to AA but you never know what the future will bring. 
 
It is my business because my spouse still works for American Airlines. I am still directly impacted by TWU contracts.
 
You are trying to paint me as an outsider looking in with no vested interest in TWU contracts and that simply is not true.
 
You ask who I am that anyone should care about what I say? I am someone who made an investment in the TWU for 12 years and who's household continues to invest in them. Does 14 years of my household funding the TWU (even today.... with TWO people contributing mind you) not allow me to have an opinion? I am not an outsider looking in, I was employed there for over a decade.

 
Thank you for the elucidation, it makes more sense now.
 

Are you telling me that in your opinion someone with recall and the ability to transfer who personally invested in the TWU for 12 years and who's household STILL invest in them should have no opinion about UNION representation or contract negotiations?

 
Now did I at any time tell you what you're asking me if I told you?  No.  See, you spent all this time trying to explain and excuse yourself (which is appreciated) only to use the last sentence to mischaracterize my questions and put words in my mouth.  I thought you were above such dirty libtard tactics, I really did.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Now did I at any time tell you what you're asking me if I told you?  No.  See, you spent all this time trying to explain and excuse yourself (which is appreciated) only to use the last sentence to mischaracterize my questions and put words in my mouth.  I thought you were above such dirty libtard tactics, I really did.

I am asking for clarification on your position after I provided more information.
 
You did ask me to justify my "participation".
 
You did ask of me why any of you should care what I have to say.  
 
After you asked me to justify myself, and I obliged,  do I not have the right to procure feedback on your current mindset?
 
The question was not designed to "put words in your mouth" it was designed to tailor your response to verify the intent of your questions.
 
I needed to know if your intent was to seek an actual validation of my concerns or if you were just trying to debase my message.
 

But how again is it any of your business?  You're not in any UNION.  Do you work for AA?  What is your basis of participation besides apparent bitterness and who are you that any of us should care what you have to say?

 
By the way, your Joe McCarthy comment was way off base.

 

[john john]

I don't wish to comment on this as it would start a fire that would impact current employees.
 
That may seem like a dodge but I have to put the welfare of my ex coworkers above my want to vent.
 
I hope you understand.
 
I don't feel like I am that way with most people on this forum.
 
The people I do "confront" tend to have heavy and vocal political views with which I do not agree. They try to sell the philosophy that to be UNION is to be Democrat. From my point of view they are not for UNIONS at all, they are simply for furthering a political agenda. From my viewpoint that kind of thinking has poisoned today's UNIONs. I feel like UNIONs today are less about representing employees and more about pushing the ideals of socialism and liberalism.
 
My expectation for a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can and enforce the agreement, not tell me how to vote or endorse political agendas. Especially ones that have nothing to do with labor.
 
I would also like to point out two of the people I "confront" I have caught in numerous lies or posting falsified data, usually sourced from a leftist political group, as fact to try to manipulate public opinion. 
 
Here is a prime example posted by Ms Tree. He tried to post an essay written by two liberal mouthpieces and present it as fact.
 
 
and my reply
 
 
I still have recall and could transfer. It would be an act of desperation on my part to go back to AA but you never know what the future will bring. 
 
It is my business because my spouse still works for American Airlines. I am still directly impacted by TWU contracts.
 
You are trying to paint me as an outsider looking in with no vested interest in TWU contracts and that simply is not true.
 
You ask who I am that anyone should care about what I say? I am someone who made an investment in the TWU for 12 years and who's household continues to invest in them. Does 14 years of my household funding the TWU (even today.... with TWO people contributing mind you) not allow me to have an opinion? I am not an outsider looking in, I was employed there for over a decade.
 
I would hardly call 12 years of employment a tenuous connection. 
 
You are right about one thing, I do have an agenda for being here. However, I could say the same for every poster here. If you come here without an agenda then what is the point? You can talk shop at the shop.
 
Are you telling me that in your opinion someone with recall and the ability to transfer who personally invested in the TWU for 12 years and who's household STILL invest in them should have no opinion about UNION representation or contract negotiations?

Did you receive government assistance when you were layoff? Your views support and suggest that getting and receiving government assistance is being a wrongdoer

 

[ChockJockey]

By the way, your Joe McCarthy comment was way off base.

You're saying Joe McCarthy didn't go to heaven or have robust reproductive impulses? That's dispicable, he was a great American and the present aesthetic and spritual inspiration for Ted Cruz. I'm sorry, but I refuse to capitulate to any whiny cries about my language not being "p.c." enough.

You're never going to defeat global socialism on airline web forums with that kind of attitude.

 

[700UW]

Did you receive government assistance when you were layoff? Your views support and suggest that getting and receiving government assistance is being a wrongdoer

He took Federal Money to be retrained.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Did you receive government assistance when you were layoff? 

Yes. I took a grant to finish the last 5 months of school. My last day of school was on a Friday and the following Monday I reported to work at a full time job. 
 

Your views support and suggest that getting and receiving government assistance is being a wrongdoer

That is what the socialist, liberal, scum on this forum would like you to believe my viewpoints are. 
 
They take the fact I used a grant to pay for the last 5 months of my school and try to use that to paint me as a hypocrite.
 
 
 
Never mind the fact I worked 20 years before that and continue to work now (for what I went to school for).
 
Never mind the fact I will pay more taxes over my lifetime due to increased earning power. In fact I have already paid in taxes many times what I was awarded in the grant.
 
They like to ignore those FACTS because they don't mesh with their narrative.
 
 
 
The fact is I support government social programs as a safety net (despite what 700UW, Glenn Quagmire, Ms Tree, and Dog Wonder would have you believe, the forums libtard mouthpieces) to get people through a rough time. That is what they were intended to do.
 
I do not support people making "entitlements" a lifestyle choice. I do not support Democrats using "entitlements" to procure votes. I do not support fleecing the American worker to support a political agenda. I do not support burying our country in debt to fund lifelong "entitlement" abuse. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You're saying Joe McCarthy didn't go to heaven or have robust reproductive impulses? That's dispicable, he was a great American and the present aesthetic and spritual inspiration for Ted Cruz. I'm sorry, but I refuse to capitulate to any whiny cries about my language not being "p.c." enough.

You're never going to defeat global socialism on airline web forums with that kind of attitude.

I was under the impression you wanted to have a serious conversation.
 
I see I was mistaken. 
 
Have you met Dog Wonder? You two should get along fabulously. 

 

[ChockJockey]

I was under the impression you wanted to have a serious conversation.

 
No, I was really just trying to elicit more of your angry, self-righteous buffoonery in order to prove my original point and it's working quite well.
 

I see I was mistaken. 

 
I'm sure you're used to the feeling.
 

Have you met Dog Wonder? You two should get along fabulously. 

 
Brevity is the soul of wit.

 

[AANOTOK]

I lost the meaning of this thread "many" comments ago!

 

[bob@las-AA]

I don't wish to comment on this as it would start a fire that would impact current employees.
 
That may seem like a dodge but I have to put the welfare of my ex coworkers above my want to vent.
 
I hope you understand.
 
I don't feel like I am that way with most people on this forum.
 
The people I do "confront" tend to have heavy and vocal political views with which I do not agree. They try to sell the philosophy that to be UNION is to be Democrat. From my point of view they are not for UNIONS at all, they are simply for furthering a political agenda. From my viewpoint that kind of thinking has poisoned today's UNIONs. I feel like UNIONs today are less about representing employees and more about pushing the ideals of socialism and liberalism.
 
My expectation for a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can and enforce the agreement, not tell me how to vote or endorse political agendas. Especially ones that have nothing to do with labor.
 
I would also like to point out two of the people I "confront" I have caught in numerous lies or posting falsified data, usually sourced from a leftist political group, as fact to try to manipulate public opinion. 
 
Here is a prime example posted by Ms Tree. He tried to post an essay written by two liberal mouthpieces and present it as fact.
 
 
and my reply
 
 
I still have recall and could transfer. It would be an act of desperation on my part to go back to AA but you never know what the future will bring. 
 
It is my business because my spouse still works for American Airlines. I am still directly impacted by TWU contracts.
 
You are trying to paint me as an outsider looking in with no vested interest in TWU contracts and that simply is not true.
 
You ask who I am that anyone should care about what I say? I am someone who made an investment in the TWU for 12 years and who's household continues to invest in them. Does 14 years of my household funding the TWU (even today.... with TWO people contributing mind you) not allow me to have an opinion? I am not an outsider looking in, I was employed there for over a decade.
 
I would hardly call 12 years of employment a tenuous connection. 
 
You are right about one thing, I do have an agenda for being here. However, I could say the same for every poster here. If you come here without an agenda then what is the point? You can talk shop at the shop.
 
Are you telling me that in your opinion someone with recall and the ability to transfer who personally invested in the TWU for 12 years and who's household STILL invest in them should have no opinion about UNION representation or contract negotiations?

You should read you past post, your just like 700, 

 

[freedom]

So are we making any progress on a new contract yet ?