2015 Fleet Service thread

[Albert]

It is wrong, at this point, that they are not prepared. Disappointing that neither side apparently can put egos aside as members are now losing out.

regards,

I could see MTC having some issues theirs is more complex, but fleet service . What can possibly be holding them up?

 

[Talos]

Communication skills are certainly lacking the way they word the updates. You have to start to wonder if these people are just inept at figuring things out. They should be embarrassed to keep sending the same message. Here they have a situation that gives them a ton of leverage at the bargaining table and they're making themselves look stupid with the inability to even get to the table.Maybe they should have just hired a lawyer to do it all  for them. 

 

[AANOTOK]

You can't make this crap up. The Keystone Cops, or better yet, the Three Stooges had their chit together better than the ASSociation. This is more than unacceptable. They should be meeting round the clock to get this done. Are they so numb to the fact they are costing their employers (us, the members) money. And I'm tired of the mouthpieces saying don't rush into anything or wait, maybe more money. Get your crap together and at least have some semblance of a damn union.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Communication skills are certainly lacking the way they word the updates. You have to start to wonder if these people are just inept at figuring things out. They should be embarrassed to keep sending the same message. Here they have a situation that gives them a ton of leverage at the bargaining table and they're making themselves look stupid with the inability to even get to the table.Maybe they should have just hired a lawyer to do it all  for them. 

 
Start to wonder? Really?  One of the fundamental problems is that most of them lack any serious education. Egos abound in the world of primal.  Thus, we may finally get out of the game of tic tac toe only if we make sure the weights aren't equally 6 vs 6.  Someone may need to whack someone from the other side to tip the scale and stop this primordial exercise in futility, and get to the point of negotiating, as opposed to "looking forward to negotiating."  The IAM has more money so maybe they can just pay off one of the TWU guys to tip the scales that way? Dunno, I'm just brainstorming since they haven't been able to figure much of anything out in 14 months. 
 
In simplest terms, Morons, we have morons on our team. 
 
regards,
 

 

[Kev3188]

At a minimum, every non-economic article should've been settled with a joint version prepared for JCBA talks months ago.

That they weren't, and that the Association is having meetings to plan meetings is inexcusable.

 

[Talos]

 
Start to wonder? Really?  One of the fundamental problems is that most of them lack any serious education. Egos abound in the world of primal.  Thus, we may finally get out of the game of tic tac toe only if we make sure the weights aren't equally 6 vs 6.  Someone may need to whack someone from the other side to tip the scale and stop this primordial exercise in futility, and get to the point of negotiating, as opposed to "looking forward to negotiating."  The IAM has more money so maybe they can just pay off one of the TWU guys to tip the scales that way? Dunno, I'm just brainstorming since they haven't been able to figure much of anything out in 14 months. 
 
In simplest terms, Morons, we have morons on our team. 
 
regards,
 

Most of the people I have talked to about this disaster have used language I could not post here to describe views on the negotiating team. Morons is quite ample a word for them. I wonder if the association understands the total loss of faith many members have acquired due to their lack of action. If the two unions can not agree on some things then that's just as bad as ignorance since the members again are the losers.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

I think that Customer Service and the Ramp should have the same union. CWA/Teamsters has done much better for Customer Service than the iam has done for the Ramp.

 

[Talos]

I think that Customer Service and the Ramp should have the same union. CWA/Teamsters has done much better for Customer Service than the iam has done for the Ramp.

With the way market rates have finally gone up for workers, and earnings through the roof for airlines it should be a much easier task for unions to get a very good deal for the members. Elmer Fudd could negotiate a good deal in this environment. However the TWU-IAM association seems overwhelmed by the pressure of having a good contract within their grasp. We're stuck with them as changing now would delay things even more. Maybe they can get a deal by accident. 

 

[Albert]

 
Start to wonder? Really?  One of the fundamental problems is that most of them lack any serious education. Egos abound in the world of primal.  Thus, we may finally get out of the game of tic tac toe only if we make sure the weights aren't equally 6 vs 6.  Someone may need to whack someone from the other side to tip the scale and stop this primordial exercise in futility, and get to the point of negotiating, as opposed to "looking forward to negotiating."  The IAM has more money so maybe they can just pay off one of the TWU guys to tip the scales that way? Dunno, I'm just brainstorming since they haven't been able to figure much of anything out in 14 months. 
 
In simplest terms, Morons, we have morons on our team. 
 
regards,
 

How come I dont see any ASS supporters chiming in. This is really hard to defend, even for them. Imagine after all of this B/S they bring back a piece of crap contract

 

[WeAAsles]

How come I dont see any ASS supporters chiming in. This is really hard to defend, even for them. Imagine after all of this B/S they bring back a piece of crap contract

Not going to happen. (There's my chime in)

 

[robbedagain]

Why would a crappy deal be given when we need to and ought to be adult enough to tell the union leaders what we demand and force the company to negotiate and get the best deal possible?

 

[cltrat]

I think that Customer Service and the Ramp should have the same union. CWA/Teamsters has done much better for Customer Service than the iam has done for the Ramp.

really? I'm not too impressed by the current contract they have brought for a vote

 

[700UW]

CLTRAT,
 
Ramp Rouge hates the IAM and has since the fence agreement his beef is with how seniority was done.

 

[WeAAsles]

really? I'm not too impressed by the current contract they have brought for a vote

No it does have quite a bit of bad in it. But remember they have 1/2 that was Unionized (contract) and the other half were not ( no contract. Let's not forget the story behind the UAL ramp contract.

 

[Black Magic]

How come I dont see any ASS supporters chiming in. This is really hard to defend, even for them. Imagine after all of this B/S they bring back a piece of crap contract

It will be lackluster for sure..I would dare even say close to cost nuetral locked in pos for 5 years like what is being offered to customer service agents. Problem is this is a jcba contract and not in section 6 negotiations so nothing is truly forcing the company hand. The US management team operated with two different pilot groups the entire us/awa merger so anything is possible. Then again section 6 doesn't really matter as shown previously by the iam and the current joke they put out. Get ready for more outsourcing and higher insurance rates even though the company is posting billions in profits..disgusting!!