2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

My hope is is that we get both. Even though some people don't like the pension and I understand about what happened, and while what congress passed is a concern and needs consideration, the pension and adding to it is a huge issue to the majority of our members. The negotiating team is not there for what they personally want, but what the members tell us they want.

agree

 

[ograc]

My hope is is that we get both. Even though some people don't like the pension and I understand about what happened, and while what congress passed is a concern and needs consideration, the pension and adding to it is a huge issue to the majority of our members. The negotiating team is not there for what they personally want, but what the members tell us they want.

 
Agreed. The Negotiating Committee is in place to forward the issues most important to the membership. In the meantime.. the members must realize that much has been sacrificed by both the TWU and IAM below wing members of the combined carrier. There is much to be regained. A members' choice of where and how they want their retirement savings invested should be a priority. If it is a huge issue with the majority of our members... it should be negotiated as such in future JCBA talks. Nice to hear from you CB.
 

 

[charlie Brown]

Agreed. The Negotiating Committee is in place to forward the issues most important to the membership. In the meantime.. the members must realize that much has been sacrificed by both the TWU and IAM below wing members of the combined carrier. There is much to be regained. A members' choice of where and how they want their retirement savings invested should be a priority. If it is a huge issue with the majority of our members... it should be negotiated as such in future JCBA talks. Nice to hear from you CB.

Ograc
I can assure you it's a big issue to our members. And I am confident that our negotiating team will negotiate for our members, not their own self interest. Good to here from you too! Wish I could be on here more, but have been very busy.

 

[AANOTOK]

The Association has to actually meet to discuss these issues. Once every two or three weeks is not getting it done, Charlie, Ograc.
 
The APFA has a contract and yet they have already formed a committee to go back to Parker and ask him to empty AA's coffers a little more. And hey, they plan on doing it before the end of the year.
 
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=3f8647f07f

 

[ograc]

Ograc
I can assure you it's a big issue to our members. And I am confident that our negotiating team will negotiate for our members, not self interest. Good to here from you too! Wish I could be on here more, but have been very busy.

 
Understood. Try to find time to post. IMO... negotiations will be different this time around. Money, up front on the table, but it becomes cost neutral for the company, with concessions in other areas or articles of the agreement. Increased wages for increased Health Care contributions. This is where the negotiating committee and the membership must realize we are not in negotiations with a bankrupt carrier. Cost neutral is for carriers not projected to reap future billions in profit. There should be no concessions. There should be no sympathy to remain cost neutral. We want our share of the future pie! I respectfully ask fellow posters to weigh in.
 

 

[charlie Brown]

Understood. Try to find time to post. IMO... negotiations will be different this time around. Money, up front on the table, but it becomes cost neutral for the company, with concessions in other areas or articles of the agreement. Increased wages for increased Health Care contributions. This is where the negotiating committee and the membership must realize we are not in negotiations with a bankrupt carrier. Cost neutral is for carriers not projected to reap future billions in profit. There should be no concessions. There should be no sympathy to remain cost neutral. We want our share of the future pie! I respectfully ask fellow posters to weigh in.

I agree 100%!!!!

 

[charlie Brown]

The Association has to actually meet to discuss these issues. Once every two or three weeks is not getting it done, Charlie, Ograc.
 
The APFA has a contract and yet they have already formed a committee to go back to Parker and ask him to empty AA's coffers a little more. And hey, they plan on doing it before the end of the year.
 AANOTOK
Apfa had a very different scenario than the association. They had an agreement to go to arbitration with all unsolved issues after a certain date. The association would not agree to this from what I was told, which I agree with. Not going to get on here and argue. Let me just say, keep posting how impatient you are and let the company know. Playing right into the company's hands with that stance, and taking leverage from your negotiating team. Maybe that's your intent, I'm not sure since I don't know you.
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=3f8647f07f

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Association has to actually meet to discuss these issues. Once every two or three weeks is not getting it done, Charlie, Ograc.
 
The APFA has a contract and yet they have already formed a committee to go back to Parker and ask him to empty AA's coffers a little more. And hey, they plan on doing it before the end of the year.
 AANOTOK
Apfa had a very different scenario than the association. They had an agreement to go to arbitration with all unsolved issues after a certain date. The association would not agree to this from what I was told, which I agree with. Not going to get on here and argue. Let me just say, keep posting how impatient you are and let the company know. Playing right into the company's hands with that stance, and taking leverage from your negotiating team. Maybe that's your intent, I'm not sure since I don't know you. http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=3f8647f07f

talked to some teamster members who were excited about their contract which has the ibt health plan.

 

[dfw gen]

The Association has to actually meet to discuss these issues. Once every two or three weeks is not getting it done, Charlie, Ograc.
 
The APFA has a contract and yet they have already formed a committee to go back to Parker and ask him to empty AA's coffers a little more. And hey, they plan on doing it before the end of the year.
 
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=3f8647f07f

That would be awesome the Apfa will negotiate a contract and negotiate TWO improvements too it before we even get off our ass to get to the negotiating table. Unbeleivable

 

[charlie Brown]

talked to some teamster members who were excited about their contract which has the ibt health plan.

Yea I am hearing that also. Trying to get specifics on it now.

 

[AANOTOK]

Love it Charlie, say your not gonna get on here and argue yet you label me and run...A little insight Mr. Brown, I do nothing to play into anybody's hands. I have an opinion just like you brother and if you don't want to hear than don't come on here. And if you truly believe AA read that AANOTOK posted verbiage on how impatient he is and it's playing into their hands, then paranoia is running extremely wild. Charlie, I have been in this industry and union long enough know that actions and not words are what increase or decrease anyone's leverage. Go sell that scare somewhere else, brother.

 

[charlie Brown]

Love it Charlie, say your not gonna get on here and argue yet you label me and run...A little insight Mr. Brown, I do nothing to play into anybody's hands. I have an opinion just like you brother and if you don't want to hear than don't come on here. And if you truly believe AA read that AANOTOK posted verbiage on how impatient he is and it's playing into their hands, then paranoia is running extremely wild. Charlie, I have been in this industry and union long enough know that actions and not words are what increase or decrease anyone's leverage. Go sell that scare somewhere else, brother.

Fair enough. Not sure why you say I'm running. But just like you, I'm entitled to my opinion, and I gave it. That's the beauty of this forum, we are all entitled to our opinion. I see on your post it says you have 32 years. I myself have 33, so I know you've been through the ups and downs as well. We are all entitled to our opinions, but it's also ok when we disagree. My opinion is just that! My opinion.

 

[AANOTOK]

Agree Charlie and fair enough as well! Thanks!  🙂

 

[Tim Nelson]

Agree Charlie and fair enough as well! Thanks!  🙂

IMO, it's going to be a drawn out negotiation. I think our stand alone contract was the best IAM contract I have worked under and I'll give the team points for that. That said, it is now a dinosaur. As it stands, we are losing money on a monthly basis by not having a JCBA. It's disappointing that the Association hasn't found its way to the table as I don't
buy the excuses, but if they schedule negotiation sessions prior to January then I'd say things are pretty much still on course. Once in negotiations, if things drag out due to the Association jerking Parker around about petty things or unnecessary IAMPF stuff then I'd be disappointed. But if Parker jerks our team around over scope, or part time caps, or
catering, etc then I think it's reasonable for our team to hold its position. One thing that is total bull S is 'no layoff protections' masquerading as scope. Tossing out catering with the carrot that everyone will still have a job would just be Bull S. If Catering came through 3 bankrupt contracts, then we shouldn't lose it now.

regards,

 

[charlie Brown]

IMO, it's going to be a drawn out negotiation. I think our stand alone contract was the best IAM contract I have worked under and I'll give the team points for that. That said, it is now a dinosaur. As it stands, we are losing money on a monthly basis by not having a JCBA. It's disappointing that the Association hasn't found its way to the table as I don'tbuy the excuses, but if they schedule negotiation sessions prior to January then I'd say things are pretty much still on course. Once in negotiations, if things drag out due to the Association jerking Parker around about petty things or unnecessary IAMPF stuff then I'd be disappointed. But if Parker jerks our team around over scope, or part time caps, orcatering, etc then I think it's reasonable for our team to hold its position. One thing that is total bull S is 'no layoff protections' masquerading as scope. Tossing out catering with the carrot that everyone will still have a job would just be Bull S. If Catering came through 3 bankrupt contracts, then we shouldn't lose it now.regards,

Understood. I am one that believes when your company is making almost 2 billion profit a quarter that nothing should be given up. This company ( the US side ) is always trying to negotiate a cost neutral contract. The membership should all make it clear, there is no such thing as cost neutral, when record profits are being made.