2015 Fleet Service thread

[JFK Fleet Service]

talked to some teamster members who were excited about their contract which has the ibt health plan.

"Teamcare" is awful.Period.Go buy an Obamacare plan.Yes,"Teamcare" is that bad.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,
While it appears that the iam organizing is dead on the ramp, do u think there are possibilities or opportunities for another union to finish what the iam couldnt at delta?

regards,

I don't know that any other organization is interested?

 

[Talos]

 
Understood. Try to find time to post. IMO... negotiations will be different this time around. Money, up front on the table, but it becomes cost neutral for the company, with concessions in other areas or articles of the agreement. Increased wages for increased Health Care contributions. This is where the negotiating committee and the membership must realize we are not in negotiations with a bankrupt carrier. Cost neutral is for carriers not projected to reap future billions in profit. There should be no concessions. There should be no sympathy to remain cost neutral. We want our share of the future pie! I respectfully ask fellow posters to weigh in.
 

It's mgmt's job to get the cheapest deal and the unions to get the best deal for the members. After a 12-13 year pay cut and profits in 3 months that AA could not make previously in 20 years time, concessions are out of the question. I can only hope to be surprised to see the Association bring a really positive deal back to the membership. A good deal in all aspects is what I hope to see.

 

[700UW]

The Association has to actually meet to discuss these issues. Once every two or three weeks is not getting it done, Charlie, Ograc.
 
The APFA has a contract and yet they have already formed a committee to go back to Parker and ask him to empty AA's coffers a little more. And hey, they plan on doing it before the end of the year.
 
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=3f8647f07f

You do know they already went to Parker, he told them to pound sand. They have a CBA, that is not amendable and only have a wage adjustment clause for when UA FAs get a JCBA.

 

[P. REZ]

I just wanted to let people on here know that I do read posts on this site still but will not be replying to any of them in the future. I am listening to your thoughts and discussions and I hear you loud and clear. Keep discussing the issues because it matters.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

I just wanted to let people on here know that I do read posts on this site still but will not be replying to any of them in the future. I am listening to your thoughts and discussions and I hear you loud and clear. Keep discussing the issues because it matters.

P. Rez

Rez you need to give me a little consolation man. Chris Squire passed away a few weeks ago. First YES dumps Jon Anderson, then they go out without Rick Wakeman. Now they lost Chris as well.
 
My World is in shambles. YES is over to me and RUSH is going to start slowing down. No more big tours. Life bites.

 

[WeAAsles]

You do know they already went to Parker, he told them to pound sand. They have a CBA, that is not amendable and only have a wage adjustment clause for when UA FAs get a JCBA.

"Compensation Task Force"

Oh C'mon? What the heck is that crap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_LCuy5ComA

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know that any other organization is interested?

i heard there was but they eould only get involved if the delta employees wanted to change course. i dont think its an aflcio union.

regards

 

[Kev3188]

I just wanted to let people on here know that I do read posts on this site still but will not be replying to any of them in the future.

 

Why not?


 

i heard there was but they eould only get involved if the delta employees wanted to change course. i dont think its an aflcio union.
regards

That may be, but if so its a relatively new change...

 

[Traymark]

"Compensation Task Force"
Oh C'mon? What the heck is that crap?



It's the "ADDITIONAL Compensation Task Force (ACT).

There's just so many ways I could go with this.
Most of them would get me in trouble.


At least they have a union that is going to,keep holding Parkers feet to the fire.
From the sound of the little pow wow yesterday , I don't think it will make any difference.
The pilots and FA's are locked in. The FA's do have an adjustment clause that the pilots do not have. When United FA's get a new deal, they will get the updated average of UA and DL.

It should be noted the United TA announced yesterday also has a pay adjustment that keeps them above industry average for the life of the contract and beyond.

It didn't sound like Parker would do something like that, he did talk about it and said he wouldn't do that.

So Weaasles it seems as though you were mostly right that the delay by the Association , which they blame on Peterson, will make us more in the long run.
So thanks Gary.

 

[cltrat]

 

Why not?

 

I'll take what are union marching orders for 100 Alex

 

[WeAAsles]

"Compensation Task Force"
Oh C'mon? What the heck is that crap?



It's the "ADDITIONAL Compensation Task Force (ACT).

There's just so many ways I could go with this.
Most of them would get me in trouble.


At least they have a union that is going to,keep holding Parkers feet to the fire.
From the sound of the little pow wow yesterday , I don't think it will make any difference.
The pilots and FA's are locked in. The FA's do have an adjustment clause that the pilots do not have. When United FA's get a new deal, they will get the updated average of UA and DL.

It should be noted the United TA announced yesterday also has a pay adjustment that keeps them above industry average for the life of the contract and beyond.

It didn't sound like Parker would do something like that, he did talk about it and said he wouldn't do that.

So Weaasles it seems as though you were mostly right that the delay by the Association , which they blame on Peterson, will make us more in the long run.
So thanks Gary.

I'm not so sure that anyone had or has a crystal ball that if the process was stalled for awhile we would see these tremendous raises in the industry that could be capitalized on. But I'm not going to look a possible gift horse in the mouth anyway. "Including Gary"

In regards to the new pay rates at UAL, it looks great for them. Notwithstanding what it might mean for SCOPE?

I hope that our Maintenance professionals make out like bandits. They deserve it big time. I also hope of course that our group can capitalize on it in some way as well? It doesn't sound like it raised the immediate bar over that Delta plus 3, but for the life of the contract at least 33% more would beyond work for me if that were to be applied? "Financially" I'd be singing hallelujah. We'll see?

Now I just hope some out there will relax just a little and let our negotiators do their job.

 

[AANOTOK]

Sure W, those of us you refer to who need to relax, would, if the negotiators would ever do their job (i.e. meet more than once a month). And exactly when is the Fleet deal makers meeting again, maybe I missed the update.  :mellow: (that's a mellow gif by the way)

 

[dfw gen]

Sure W, those of us you refer to who need to relax, would, if the negotiators would ever do their job (i.e. meet more than once a month). And exactly when is the Fleet deal makers meeting again, maybe I missed the update.  :mellow: (that's a mellow gif by the way)

its actually 4 1/2 days a month at best, they fly in on Monday and like to go home early on Friday....
 
family is important...

 

[Black Magic]

Obviously its the Ass that is doing the stalling part.  When the company wants a contract they do it quick, fast, and in a hurry as proven by the MOU's with the AA unions.  The company hammered out those weak deals with ALL union groups in a record setting 2 weeks time!! Company played them all the way to the bank, I doubt they even tried to counter DUI's proposals.
 
Too bad the IAM isn't in Section 6 negotiations anymore...they gave away all the leverage so we could now be paid average while the company sets record setting after record setting quarter profit.
 
Maybe the ASS finally learned something through all this. Now the company holds all the cards as it already got what it wanted.
 
P Rez if you are lurking on here.  I would highly suggest having a variable tru up rate EVERY year to DL if there is a 5 year jcba contract, because I said it before and I'll keep saying it record profits are here to come, the industry is prime.  I seriously doubt the company will go for it...they just want us to take our $29 with change and go on our merry way for 5 years.