2015 Fleet Service thread

[Albert]

 
I hope you are wrong. imo, it's premature. I was told that the two unions are almost complete with their negotiation strategy and priority and that they both intend to leave Chicago with an agreed upon strategy of where to negotiate the pie.
 
IMO,  I think scope should be lowered to around the 5 flights per day as agreed upon upstairs, with a station snapshot to also include all current stations as of 2015.  That would graft in JAX, RNO, PBI, etc as I don't believe any station should LOSE scope during billion dollar quarterly profits. And I fully expect Delta +3.   I'm not at all impressed with dumping a lot of the pie into the non guaranteed IAMPF, especially with the rules changed so pension trustees can also snatch retiree benefits. I hope the IAM negotiators aren't putting the IAM's interest ahead of the membership and negotiations.  Many US AIRWAYS members have been literally begging our negotiators to be wise and open up 401k match priorities over putting all the retirement eggs in the IAMPF.
 
Thus, I hope the TWU holds its position to consider retirement enhancements towards the 401k over tossing everything into IAMPF.  It seems to me that it makes no sense at all for the IAM negotiators to continue insisting on forcing retirement contributions solely into the IAMPF for us US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters. They need to stop it and put the members interest above the IAM's.
 
regards,
 

 Yes one should be given a choice.It woudnt matter to the company because it is the same compensation either way. Im 56 and will probably stick with the IAMPF and keep my fingers crossed.

 

[Albert]

The Tortoise won the race Al, not the Hare. As a matter of fact the rabbit was then scooped up, put in a pot and was made into a delicious stew.

Think smart and try not to trip over your own laces man.

Yes Ill admit I was wrong I never thought company would match DL. But its a fact and Im better off. You dont look at the facts you listen to whatever the ASS tells you and accept it. How were the accommodations at David Koresh's compound

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes Ill admit I was wrong I never thought company would match DL. But its a fact and Im better off. You dont look at the facts you listen to whatever the ASS tells you and accept it. How were the accommodations at David Koresh's compound

Al the FACTS just stared you in your own face.

Fact: Delta raised their rates 14.5%
Fact: The APFA asked for that rate to be applied to them and were refused.
Fact: That new rate percentage was applied to the CWA TA just handed to them.
Fact: UAL just pulled a full comprehensive proposal from one of their workgroups to reevaluate the new "Market Rate"
Fact: Our negotiators will be meeting all of next week in DFW to attempt to conclude putting it all together before we meet with the company.
Fact: Had we done all of this much earlier we would have "possibly" been locked in and had to wait until 2020 to make new gains.
Fact: Is the amount of money we would have lost (Not compounded) had they listened to the loudest voices and rushed.
Fact: They are not listening to you or anyone else for that matter who is attempting to "rush" them.
Fact: They are trying to get this done right because this may be the best bite of the apple we will ever see for the rest of our careers.

Fact: You've collected too much dust in that little office of yours and need to finally have an adventure. Box up your scarf and gloves and get over to FLL and hang with your old friend FG.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and Al. I jumped out the window and got away from that compound when I heard the ATF headed down the road. But I did get in a lot of crazy sex before the party ended and the rest of them became ashes.

Ah what great memories I have.

 

[robbedagain]

with the CWA getting the market rate   I imagine we will get something similar along the lines    which would then effectively wipe out the 4.1% like what the pilots and FAs got???

 

[Albert]

 
We don't want to miss the boat because, in this industry, the boat can leave on a dime. But, I would expect our negotiation team to incorporate industry developments, even if they are for different crafts, whether MX or Passenger service. At this point, holding the cards has been the winning card as long as the winning card gets cashed in prior to expiration.  As long as the two unions have everything prioritized very very soon, we should be in good shape. If they can't get things together after Chicago next week then maybe heads need to roll and skulls need to get cracking. I can't be sure, but it is appearing to me, that there are some struggles between the two unions as to which topics to prioritize when slicing the pie. Those are to be expected, and the timing will be perfect if they iron out all of them this week.  But if they dick around with another "We are preparing for negotiations" and will meet in DFW with the TWU for like the 10th time, I'm calling BS.
 
regards,
 

Tim whats the mood in ORD  are the troops getting impatient?

 

[Albert]

Al the FACTS just stared you in your own face.

Fact: Delta raised their rates 14.5%
Fact: The APFA asked for that rate to be applied to them and were refused.
Fact: That new rate percentage was applied to the CWA TA just handed to them.
Fact: UAL just pulled a full comprehensive proposal from one of their workgroups to reevaluate the new "Market Rate"
Fact: Our negotiators will be meeting all of next week in DFW to attempt to conclude putting it all together before we meet with the company.
Fact: Had we done all of this much earlier we would have "possibly" been locked in and had to wait until 2020 to make new gains.
Fact: Is the amount of money we would have lost (Not compounded) had they listened to the loudest voices and rushed.
Fact: They are not listening to you or anyone else for that matter who is attempting to "rush" them.
Fact: They are trying to get this done right because this may be the best bite of the apple we will ever see for the rest of our careers.

Fact: You've collected too much dust in that little office of yours and need to finally have an adventure. Box up your scarf and gloves and get over to FLL and hang with your old friend FG.

 No I know too many people in FLL it has to be MIA. I see I'd be pretty senior there, not bad considering I came from an airline with one foot and four toes in the grave

 

[Albert]

Oh and Al. I jumped out the window and got away from that compound when I heard the ATF headed down the road. But I did get in a lot of crazy sex before the party ended and the rest of them became ashes.

Ah what great memories I have.

Ill bet you have Black Sabbath in every formatLP,8track,cassette,CD,reel to reel...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim whats the mood in ORD  are the troops getting impatient?

 
It seems to me that most receive the latest communication from the Association, and embrace it.  Don't ask if anyone is happy, cuz everyone wants $30 right now as the CWA/IBT contract woke up the masses.  But it seems to me that most are giving the Association the benefit of the doubt at this point, as well they should imo.  
 
But I would suspect that their patience will wear out and the Association will look fairly ridiculous if the two unions can't leave ORD with a priority list of proposals and schedule the first negotiation session with the company. 
 
regards,
 

 

[WeAAsles]

with the CWA getting the market rate   I imagine we will get something similar along the lines    which would then effectively wipe out the 4.1% like what the pilots and FAs got???

I've been reading their FB page robbed and right now (They haven't read their full TA yet) they're not happy about a few items from the highlight sheet. There is a bunch of potential outsourcing language that would affect the US side of the fence. They also have an in union lower paid tier group called CAR (Customer Assistance Representative) that some of the "Red Coat" jobs will probably be replaced with? They're bringing up other multiple items that yes are very important for them to read and understand what kind of protection they may have in those areas? Medical and Part Time caps being the most important items. If the CWA can explain those two pieces I think it will pass? All of the outsourcing "Insourcing" language doesn't affect the AA side since they no longer have those jobs anyway. That side I'm sure will go for the money over retaining certain lower skilled jobs. I also like there new 5 flight a day to open cities language. That could create a lot of job opportunities if they're not all relegated to a tier 2 classification? (Something in the current CBA for US) I'm looking forward to reading their full TA to get a better guage on what direction the company wants or is attempting to head in? It looks to me that they want to bring "core" work inhouse?

On the BASE rates money that's the easy part. The company will find ways to subsidize some of that pay in efficiencies to the operation. I'm very curious to see if UAL raises the bar by a few more percents? We're currently staring at 3% above DL. Maybe UAL will add another 3 or 4% and we can get back to the 7% language talked about. Being the last to the table usually gets you the scraps. But this time it seems to be going the opposite way on that one.

Make no mistake that there is a ceiling out there somewhere. We absolutely want to be very careful in trying to reach it and not shoot so high that we bump our heads and knock ourselves out. What's the line in poker? Got to know when to walk away from the table with your winnings.

 

[wings396]

The one thing that the CWA group tends to overlook is the amount of small stations that they have been able to retain. All of the 20+ stations that Fleet lost in 2005 have remained staffed by ML employees on the inside. Even the new offer that they have on the table will keep those jobs. IMO, their group has always had a much better contract than fleet, but they just don't realize it.

 

[WeAAsles]

The one thing that the CWA group tends to overlook is the amount of small stations that they have been able to retain. All of the 20+ stations that Fleet lost in 2005 have remained staffed by ML employees on the inside. Even the new offer that they have on the table will keep those jobs. IMO, their group has always had a much better contract than fleet, but they just don't realize it.

Ok but if you look at their current contract they also have a bunch of different payscales and they also have language that designates a city as a tier 2 for a lower pay. They basically subsidize themselves to keep more jobs. Not saying that it's necessarily a good or bad idea but it is a philosophical difference in the way some Unions think over others.

If you read the maintenance threads the line guys for the most part hate the idea that they have been subsidizing their pay for OH in TUL for years. TUL never accepted a lower wage for working in such a cheap place to live and had the voting majority to keep it that way. That see saw is changing now though. (Don't need another maintenance lesson here please)

 

[WeAAsles]

And I personally would have no problem with having different tier cities if the cost of living is much cheaper. But only if it's applied to cities we don't already have occupied. Take CMH for example if you were thinking about going there from LGA. CMH is far cheaper to live in than LGA and you would still have a better quality of living even if you were making a few dollars an hour less.

I would love to see our members gain opportunities for different choices to live across the US. The company will also not subsidize the work in those cities if the revenue can't be generated. Why bother flying some places at all if you're not making money.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Heard that company wants a quick contract but has no desire to keep catering under scope. Hope the negotiators dont horse trade these clt and phl scope.

 

[Albert]

And I personally would have no problem with having different tier cities if the cost of living is much cheaper. But only if it's applied to cities we don't already have occupied. Take CMH for example if you were thinking about going there from LGA. CMH is far cheaper to live in than LGA and you would still have a better quality of living even if you were making a few dollars an hour less.

I would love to see our members gain opportunities for different choices to live across the US. The company will also not subsidize the work in those cities if the revenue can't be generated. Why bother flying some places at all if you're not making money.

US had something like that years ago but it wasnt based on cost of living it was based on the amount of flights so someone who worked at LGA made $18 while someone at EWR made $15 needless to say there were alot of unhappy people.Id rather see (which we wont) everyone making the same but maybe a few expensive cities gettig a premium