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2015 Fleet Service thread

October 20, 2015
 
Dear TWU-IAM Association Member,
As the regular Joint Association bulletins report, your Mechanic and Related/Stores and Fleet Service Negotiating Committees are working hard to finalize joint contract proposals. In the meantime, TWU-IAM Joint Association Leadership is preparing a longer term strategy and formal rollout plan to initiate joint contract negotiations with American Airlines, ensuring we enter the process in the strongest possible position to fight for our members. It has become necessary to correct the recent misconception—perpetuated by some individuals—that the TWU-IAM Association has somehow dragged its feet in this process.
 
The TWU-IAM Association was certified by the National Mediation Board (NMB), the federal agency that determines representation issues in the airline industry, on May 19, 2015, five months ago. Although the TWU-IAM Association was created in 2013, it did not have legal certification and thus could not act as a certified bargaining agent before NMB certification.
 
Since the Association was certified by the NMB five months ago, it has named the negotiating committees, conducted individual and joint committee training, and determined servicing and negotiating responsibilities for all work groups in all classes and crafts. The Mechanic and Related/Stores and Fleet Service Negotiating Committees have both met for six separate weeklong sessions to reconcile contract language from existing pre-merger agreements and write new joint contract language for 30,000 ground workers at American Airlines.
These are complex tasks and the committee members should be thanked for their hard work on behalf of Association members, not wrongly criticized for any delay.
 
What should be pointed out, however, is a less well known and politically motivated ploy that needlessly delayed the Association’s certification, thereby delaying the entire joint collective bargaining process. Due to the frivolous objection to the Association’s NMB’s certification by a misguided individual on August 21, 2014, the process to certify the TWU-IAM Association as the legal collective bargaining agent was set back for months. This unwarranted objection to the NMB came days after the TWU-IAM Association filed for a determination of single carrier status on August 6, 2014. Certification came 10 months later in May, 2015.
 
The failed attempt to derail the Association was dismissed by the NMB, but nonetheless had to be investigated and needlessly delayed the process of ultimate certification for many months. In contrast, both flight attendants and passenger service employees at American received a determination of single carrier status in less than two months and American pilots waited less than seven months for their NMB determination.
The TWU-IAM Association will be at the negotiating table shortly with American Airlines and will demand the industry’s best contracts for all 30,000 Association members. Rest assured, we will be prepared, and will not cut corners.
We understand the membership’s desire to gain the industry-best terms of employment you rightfully deserve. And terms of employment are more than just wage rates; they are strengthened job security provisions, fair health insurance, better working conditions, and enhanced retirement security, among many other components.
 
To obtain accurate information regarding joint contract negotiations, please refer to Negotiating Committee bulletins at www.usaamerger.com, www.twu.org, www.iam141.org, www.iamdl142.org and other applicable TWU local websites.
For more clarification, you can contact the below Negotiating Committee members for further information:
IAM—Mechanic and Related/Stores, Sean Ryan, sryan@iamdl142.org, (757) 618-4652.
TWU—Mechanic and Related/Stores, Sean Doyle (primary), sdoyle@twu.org, (614) 214-3454 and David Virella, dvirella@twu.org, (817) 773-4054.
IAM—Fleet Service, Mark Baskett, mbaskett@iam141.org, (704) 860-1802.
TWU—Fleet Service, David Virella (primary), dvirella@twu.org, (817) 773-4054 and Sean Doyle, sdoyle@twu.org, (614) 214-3454.
Sincerely and fraternally,
Sito Pantoja, TWU-IAM Association Chairman, IAMAW General Vice President, Transportation
Harry Lombardo, TWU-IAM Association Vice Chairman, TWU International President
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2015/10/20/negotiations-update/#sthash.KJokKo9e.dpuf
 
WeAAsles said:
AANOTOK what is it you didn't like in the guy's comments? Alright maybe I would have left out the AMFA part on a Fleet thread. But he was responding to Tim Nelson who is going to be running for District 141 President and all of a sudden when he came to that decision did a complete 360 against things he has been saying for months now on agreeing with how the Association has been moving ahead.
If you had been on the US page a few years back you would have seen his shenanigans back then in bad mouthing anyone he could in the hopes of propelling his "personal" campaign.
But back on topic. Yes we can all agree that they should have done the reconciliation months ago. BUT I still 100% believe if they had done that we would have been LOCKED into the $26.54 base rate instead of staring at at least $29,27 like we are today. And again maybe even more if UAL raises the bar. 
By hook or crook the stalls have absolutely played to being a better advantage (financially) in our favor. Why do we continue to fight against that? Are we really that desperate for cash?
Another thing Realityck said. Would you rather they had not done the process of putting things together so they can maybe have a better mutual agreement when they sit across from the company? Would you rather our negotiators just went in and played Johnny on the spot to anything the company might throw at them? Or would you prefer they be unified and maybe the process will go a lot smoother with the people who hold the checkbook?
All due respect, but if I was I was in your guys' shoes, I would rather have had a chance to vote on who would represent the combined work group(s)...
 
Kev3188 said:
All due respect, but if I was I was in your guys' shoes, I would rather have had a chance to vote on who would represent the combined work group(s)...
Kev I've always said in a perfect world the Association would have been formed and a choice would have been on a voting ballot for:

TWU/IAM Association
TWU
IAM
Other

And in that perfect world both sides would have came together and sold the merits on why we should have an Association or a partnership.

We don't live in that perfect world though and we can debate that point over and over until we have one foot in the grave. My personal philosophy still stands though. UNIONS should not fight UNIONS. (Bigger fish out there to fry)

Notice I left out the No Union option. Screw those people who wanted that. 
 
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WeAAsles said:
Kev I've always said in a perfect world the Association would have been formed and a choice would have been on a voting ballot for:

TWU/IAM Association
TWU
IAM
Other

And in that perfect world both sides would have came together and sold the merits on why we should have an Association or a partnership.

We don't live in that perfect world though and we can debate that point over and over until we have one foot in the grave. My personal philosophy still stands though. UNIONS should not fight UNIONS. (Bigger fish out there to fry)

Notice I left out the No Union option. Screw those people who wanted that. 
That's what they depend on.
Sheeple... 😛
Lock them in then do not perform.
Cry 'raiders' when another union attempts to replace a union that does not perform.
FYI, IBT was requested by twu to spoil the AMFA representation.
Your industrial unions are screwing you and you are too stupid to realize it.
You can't change it either.
So sit in LA LA land and support the ASS as you really have no choice.
 
B) xUT
 
 
WeAAsles said:
I really don't want to make you barf but it's the truth. By some rough calculations if we had had a deal in January we have lost financially about $6000.00 so far. But looking at a 5 year deal from the difference between $26 and $29 we're looking at a loss of $31,000. Again not counting compounded yearly raises, OT, CS worked, and contributions to our 401k.

Let's say that I put every dime of that increase with all the extra's into my 401k at least for the next 5 years and whatever might be built on for the rest of my projected 12 years before I retire. If you add up all the add on's and the market performs well for all I know that nest egg can grow into a substantial extra amount. Let's say even at a basic $31,000 + $31,000 (5 more years) $10,000 more last 2 years. We're looking at over $70,000 more put into my 401k. Compounding everything else could put that at $100,000?

So so far I've lost $6000,00 in exchange for a possible $100,000 in career value.

That's how I'm looking at things. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂  
me, me, me. $$$. What I've Lost. All based on speculation of course. Just the mindset the company preys on. Your post lacks an interest in the common betterment of the membership. What does true unionism represent? When will we learn what is going on in this industry? Have we learned nothing from the agreement reached at UA? Or are we destined to make the same mistakes. Let's get it right. Let's know what needs to be achieved long term. Only going to get one shot at this. This contract represents the foundation from which future contract negotiations with AA will begin. The choice is long or short term thinking. I know what my choice is. This committee can take as long as they need to get it right going in!  
 
 
ograc said:
me, me, me. $$$. What I've Lost. All based on speculation of course. Just the mindset the company preys on. Your post lacks an interest in the common betterment of the membership. What does true unionism represent? When will we learn what is going on in this industry? Have we learned nothing from the agreement reached at UA? Or are we destined to make the same mistakes. Let's get it right. Let's know what needs to be achieved long term. Only going to get one shot at this. This contract represents the foundation from which future contract negotiations with AA will begin. The choice is long or short term thinking. I know what my choice is. This committee can take as long as they need to get it right going in!  
 
Ograc I ABSOLUTELY look at SCOPE. BUT the majority by far are only concerned with the money. That is the emphasis they have on rush, rush, rush. So with that in mind is how I was commenting because people are looking at the financial aspect today and not considering what I wrote.

And I highlighted what you wrote in red because I agree 100% with it as well.

On another note, we know what the money is. We don't have any clue what's going to come from everything else? 
 
WeAAsles said:
Ograc I ABSOLUTELY look at SCOPE. BUT the majority by far are only concerned with the money. That is the emphasis they have on rush, rush, rush. So with that in mind is how I was commenting because people are looking at the financial aspect today and not considering what I wrote.

And I highlighted what you wrote in red because I agree 100% with it as well.

On another note, we know what the money is. We don't have any clue what's going to come from everything else? 
 
 
Patience is a virtue. A virtue that has historically been lacking with our group among others. This lack of patience and the "what's in it for me" attitude erodes solidarity and leverage at the table. It's what the company relies on to accomplish their agenda when negotiating contracts. The devil is in the details of any agreement. What is offered by the company in negotiations is always cost neutral. They get that hourly wage increase back in other Articles of the agreement. The recent CWA agreement has great hourly wage improvements but the devil is in the details. UA agreement was the same. Members voted for the money and paid with increased health care contributions, unlimited part time and virtually no scope. Long term... who loses? When will this short term, selfish mindset end with the membership? Until it does... we are destined to take one step forward and two steps back. 
 
 
orgac  one thing I would love to see is all of the current mainline cities grandfathered in part of ur scope    enhancing the scope   increase in wages   may be 401k match  and or a higher pay towards the IAM pension   ehanced sick  etc  
 
I really don't want to make you barf but it's the truth. By some rough calculations if we had had a deal in January we have lost financially about $6000.00 so far. But looking at a 5 year deal from the difference between $26 and $29 we're looking at a loss of $31,000. Again not counting compounded yearly raises, OT, CS worked, and contributions to our 401k.

Let's say that I put every dime of that increase with all the extra's into my 401k at least for the next 5 years and whatever might be built on for the rest of my projected 12 years before I retire. If you add up all the add on's and the market performs well for all I know that nest egg can grow into a substantial extra amount. Let's say even at a basic $31,000 + $31,000 (5 more years) $10,000 more last 2 years. We're looking at over $70,000 more put into my 401k. Compounding everything else could put that at $100,000?

So so far I've lost $6000,00 in exchange for a possible $100,000 in career value.

That's how I'm looking at things. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
How much are we making today? Even at $26 we are losing money. Your math is nothing more than a strawman and assumes we will all be at the CWA $32. If that is true, then fine, but your argument is baseless at this point because we are having fits over Gary Peterson instead of final preparation.

regards,
 
me, me, me. $$$. What I've Lost. All based on speculation of course. Just the mindset the company preys on. Your post lacks an interest in the common betterment of the membership. What does true unionism represent? When will we learn what is going on in this industry? Have we learned nothing from the agreement reached at UA? Or are we destined to make the same mistakes. Let's get it right. Let's know what needs to be achieved long term. Only going to get one shot at this. This contract represents the foundation from which future contract negotiations with AA will begin. The choice is long or short term thinking. I know what my choice is. This committee can take as long as they need to get it right going in!
From your perspective based in JAX I can apprehend why you aren't bothered that it could take months or more.

regards,
 
Tim Nelson said:
How much are we making today? Even at $26 we are losing money. Your math is nothing more than a strawman and assumes we will all be at the CWA $32. If that is true, then fine, but your argument is baseless at this point because we are having fits over Gary Peterson instead of final preparation.

regards,
And most of your arguments are a strawman dating Cinderella who has a chapped ass Tim. And uh where do you keep getting this $32.00 per hour from Tim? It's $29.27 not counting shift differential or longevity.

Oh and Peterson is in Maintenance BTW. You and I are not. Different room, different people.
 
Tim Nelson said:
From your perspective based in JAX I can apprehend why you aren't bothered that it could take months or more.

regards,
So if he feels that his Station could be in jeopardy and wants to advocate that people pay attention to that you now have a problem because of all the money sitting on the table?

C'mon Cybil. I thought you were an advocate for the small stations. Oh that's right. You're in a big one now. My bad.
 

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