2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Getting a lot of nut cases today on the board, Metro, Oscar and now WNMECH, gues they have it read through anything yet.

 

[WNMECH]

Getting a lot of nut cases today on the board, Metro, Oscar and now WNMECH, gues they have it read through anything yet.

 

[CAVOK]

Getting a lot of nut cases today on the board, Metro, Oscar and now WNMECH, gues they have it read through anything yet.

One of the first lessons I learned over three decades ago as a member of organized labor was to stay out of other unions' business. SWA pilots are preparing for a strike. Their mechanics are asking for mediation in a contract that was amendable in 2012 and this clown, WNMECH, who has never learned that lesson is posting his opinion here. If he had something new, I would be open to it, but, it is just another biased opinion. 

 

[WNMECH]

Read Eischen discussion of Nicolau during the CO UAL SLI.
Referred to as something to be avoided. Eischen and Co do not want to be referenced in the same light as Nicolau. They are not beholden to a flawed award.and do not want to be Nicolaus bitches.
You are the delusional one.

They didn't have to decide on the actual Nic either.
So you think these arbitrators who do have the authority over deciding on using the Nic, and have direct guidance from the 9th, want to be USAPA bitches?
 
You should be the one reading.
Nicolau was praised in the award closing.
They did want to be in the same light as him.

http://www.ourunited.org/docs/2013/alpaislaward.pdf

Any such distortions are minimized to the extent possible
in our awarded ISL. Regrettably but inevitably, there will be perceived disparities and
mismatches by individuals on both sides under the merged list. George Nicolau's four
basic verities of ISL arbitration are as apt and vital today as they were nearly a quarter of
a century ago: each case turns on its own facts; the objective is to make the integration
fair and equitable; the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard;
and the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance.

 

[traderjake]

Don't confuse the USAPA clowns with facts. 

 

[luvthe9]

One of the first lessons I learned over three decades ago as a member of organized labor was to stay out of other unions' business. SWA pilots are preparing for a strike. Their mechanics are asking for mediation in a contract that was amendable in 2012 and this clown, WNMECH, who has never learned that lesson is posting his opinion here. If he had something new, I would be open to it, but, it is just another biased opinion.

Can't figure why a wrench is so concerned about are business, maybe he's like 700UW with no one to play with. Think he would be more concerned about all the maintenance of the fleet the FAA seems to be all over SWA,


Are concerened about the Air Tran pilots?

 

[cactusboy53]

So it legal counsel keeps telling his client he is "SUPREMELY CONFIDENT" but fails to deliver, does that make the party a nut case??

 

[cactusboy53]

 
I too was deeply touched by that. 😉

 
We were just discussing how "touched" you are.  What a coincidence!!

 

[cactusboy53]

The west pilot merger committee jumped ship for the same reason, they thought they would not be represented fairly.
 
Link below.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/LMRDA_Suit/Resignation_letter_Scherff_Ferguson_&_Simmons.pdf

 
Uhm....That's the resigniation letter from the USAPA Phoenix Representatives, idiot.  Not the "west merger committee".
 
Maybe you missed the point that USAPA could not properly represent the west pilots.  Judge Wake got it.  Judge Silver got it (dicta), Judge Conrad gets it, and the 9th gets it.  I think the next group to "get it" will be your group (scarcasm intended).
 
Big Smiles!

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA (clue: ALPA was NOT free to abandon the award). The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Case: 09-16564 06/04/2010[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]In the matter of: Preliminary Arbitration Board APA/USAPA/AA (December 17, 2014)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list? ….. And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]and issued back in '07.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]MR. FREUND (in closing):As the Chairman put it so nicely in his questioning of Jess Pauley, what the US -- what the East Committee, the US Airways Committee, the USAPA Committee, call it what you want, what it wants to do is to put itself in the place of George Nicolau and redo what George did in 2007.[/SIZE]
 
 
[SIZE=12pt]Hmmm.....a different arbitrator commenting on the award his co-worker made.  I wonder if the SLI Panel will consider the Award dellivered to the AAA/AWA pilots by their co-worker, mentor, & friend George Nicolau?[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]From a letter sent by Doug Parker:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“We have determined that the list submitted meets these criteria, so the company will accept the submitted list.”[/SIZE]

 

[luvthe9]

From a letter sent by Doug Parker:
We have determined that the list submitted meets these criteria, so the company will accept the submitted list.

No one is worried about what Doug accepted.



You seem very long winded and desperate tonight, how about a big smile!