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After your inflammatory comments on the AA pilots forum with a person someone as yourself I get their side!
If you think my tame comment to the discussion was inflammatory, are you going to now denounce the responses to it that tried to denigrate me personally and used words like "nutcase" and "clown"?

yeah, I didn't think so.
That's just how you guys roll over here.
 
WNMECH said:
If you think my tame comment to the discussion was inflammatory, are you going to now denounce the responses to it that tried to denigrate me personally and used words like "nutcase" and "clown"?yeah, I didn't think so.That's just how you guys roll over here.




"That's just how you guys roll over here."..............just priceless!





I will take that as a big no, you were not concerned about the Air Tran pilots, run along now and put some oil in number 2, thank you!
 
luvthe9 said:
No one is worried about what Doug accepted.
You seem very long winded and desperate tonight, how about a big smile!
Nope. Just like screwing with you, Clax & your buddies. What you SHOULD BE WORRIED about is your Dream Team assembly. 81 days left. Tic toc.
 
cactusboy53 said:
Nope. Just like screwing with you, Clax & your buddies. What you SHOULD BE WORRIED about is your Dream Team assembly. 81 days left. Tic toc.
Funny, I'm not worried, we're not the ones who screwed ourselves and will now be locked in PHX for years to come, keep up the good work.



Fair and equitable...........the NIC is just not going to happen. Big smiles now!
 
WNMECH said:
If you think my tame comment to the discussion was inflammatory, are you going to now denounce the responses to it that tried to denigrate me personally and used words like "nutcase" and "clown"?
 
luvthe9 is the clown.
 
What you said is spot on.
 
traderjake said:
luvthe9 is the clown.
 
What you said is spot on.


You must be a real disappointment to your pappy, a traitor and afraid to upgrade, you should quit and make room for those that want to move up.
 
WNMECH said:
If you think my tame comment to the discussion was inflammatory, are you going to now denounce the responses to it that tried to denigrate me personally and used words like "nutcase" and "clown"?

yeah, I didn't think so.
That's just how you guys roll over here.
 
Hey Dipsh**, 
 
Tell us about the Southwest/Airtran merger and the successful arbitration outcome.  The SW pilots didn't like it, so your management bullied the Airtran boys into accepting a new list dictated by the SW Pilots Union.  It was made clear that if they didn't sign, the Airtran franchise would shrink into oblivion.  They signed.
 
Now hurry along to your Southwest forum so you can express your outrage at how they "roll" over there.    :lol:
 
luvthe9 said:
You must be a real disappointment to your pappy, a traitor and afraid to upgrade, you should quit and make room for those that want to move up.
 
Same as with us, he denies he is afraid to upgrade when Daddy asks.  He scared himself to death during his brief time in the seat but that's ancient history now.  He's all about "lifestyle" these days.   :lol: 
 
dariencc, on 26 May 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

"Traitor should stay in the bathroom and leave the flying to someone else.  PI Brat, a respected captain, documented on this forum that Jake did not even know the procedure for single engine taxi/second engine start.  Had to be coached through it.  Pathetic."
 
Sounds like the Arbitration Board did not appreciate the 9th lifting their hind leg up at the last second on their territory, with a lot of dicta and little remedy for the west pilots.
 
They did not appreciate the attempted intimidation for a "rhetorical club for marty".
 
"ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE MCCASKILL-BOND
BOARD OF ARBITRATION
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In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Involving
the Pilots of
NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES
*********************************************************
Subject: Procedural Questions Submitted Pursuant to Protocol Agreement ¶ 7
.........;;;;;
 
BACKGROUND
On Friday June 26, 2015, virtually the eve of the opening day of ISL arbitration hearings scheduled in accordance with collectively negotiated terms of the Protocol Agreement and Ground Rules, infra, the Court of Appeals for theNinth Circuit issued its opinion in Addington, et al. v. US Airlines Pilot Association, et al., No. 14-15757 .
 
Because the Board concluded that issues raised by that decision and
related communications from the Parties significantly compromised our ability to
begin the scheduled hearings on June 29, we notified all parties..."
 
Hey Dipsh**, 
 
Tell us about the Southwest/Airtran merger and the successful arbitration outcome.  The SW pilots didn't like it, so your management bullied the Airtran boys into accepting a new list dictated by the SW Pilots Union.  It was made clear that if they didn't sign, the Airtran franchise would shrink into oblivion.  They signed.
 
Now hurry along to your Southwest forum so you can express your outrage at how they "roll" over there.    :lol:
There was only one take it or leave it deal.
The AirTran guys did agree to it by a wide margin and no one went back on the agreed deal like the East did.
Show me ONE AirTran pilot today that isn't happy with being at WN and their huge payraises.
AirTran pilots gave up seniority to get huge pay increases and job security.
If you think they got a bad deal and aren't happy today, you are the real Dipsh**.
 
WNMECH said:
There was only one take it or leave it deal.
The AirTran guys did agree to it by a wide margin and no one went back on the agreed deal like the East did.
Show me ONE AirTran pilot today that isn't happy with being at WN and their huge payraises.
AirTran pilots gave up seniority to get huge pay increases and job security.
If you think they got a bad deal and aren't happy today, you are the real Dipsh**.
So did west pilots, they voted 97 percent for the mou and approved of the AMR, US merger.  Ask russ weber, former alpa leader at america west.   weber posted on two DOJ State web sites, begging them to approve the merger with AMR so his "family could breath again".
 
WNMECH said:
There was only one take it or leave it deal.The AirTran guys did agree to it by a wide margin and no one went back on the agreed deal like the East did.Show me ONE AirTran pilot today that isn't happy with being at WN and their huge payraises.AirTran pilots gave up seniority to get huge pay increases and job security.If you think they got a bad deal and aren't happy today, you are the real Dipsh**.
Possibly have to fly a 737 for all of my career? No thank you.
 
ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE MCCASKILL-BOND
BOARD OF ARBITRATION
 
"We start with the premise that the ultimate determination of how the Nicolau Award will inform our judgment as to what constitutes a fair and equitable integration of the
seniority of the various pilot groups that together constitute the pilot workforce of
the New American Airlines is unknown. That determination will be made by the
Board only after we have had the opportunity to carefully review all of the
relevant record evidence. Regardless of the precise positions advocated by the
Merger Committees, including whether or not any Merger Committee for the
East Pilots advocates for a methodology based upon the Nicolau Award or were to
advocate for a different methodology, we ultimately will accord the Nicolau
Award the weight that we believe it is entitled to receive in the context of the
particular seniority integration methodology that we utilize to develop a fair and
equitable integrated list.
 
Absent some restriction imposed by a Court of competent jurisdiction, the
ability to advocate to this Board that a particular methodology ought to be
utilized to help construct a fair and equitable integrated seniority list is not
something that the Board would limit in any way. There may be any number of
methodologies that, if adopted, may be of use in developing an integrated
seniority list that overall is fair and equitable. This Board has not yet had the
opportunity to review and study the record evidence that will be introduced and,
 
footnote 4
4 While enjoining the USAPA Merger Committee from participating in the McCaskill-
Bond seniority integration arbitration, except to the extent that it advocates the Nicolau Award, the Addington majority recognized that, given the requirement of a ratification vote by all pilots for any joint collective bargaining agreement, it was unclear whether the Nicolau Award would have been implemented fully but for USAPA’s actions. Further,the court expressly declined to order that an unmodified Nicolau Award be used to order the seniority of the East and West pilots in the arbitration.

 
McCaskill)Bond Act Pilot Seniority List Integration Arbitration Page 19 of 22
The New American Airlines (Procedural Questions) as a result, has not considered whether or to what extent weight appropriately ought to be given to the Nicolau Award in performing that function.
 
We recognize that the Addington Court imposed the injunction based
upon its findings as to the historical behavior of USAPA and its adverse impact
upon the West Pilots. It has been argued that there would be a certain ironic
inequity in “rewarding” the actions of the USAPA Merger Committee by allowing
their unilateral decision to withdraw from the arbitration to benefit those East
pilots whose interests were advanced in some ways by the historical actions of
USAPA. We do not believe, however, that limiting one or more Merger
Committees in terms of the arguments that they may advance is a stricture that
should be imposed by this Board.
 
Whether or not a Merger Committee is required to advocate in favor of
adoption of the Nicolau Award, we are not only authorized but obligated, as a
result of the provisions of McCaskill-Bond and the language of the Protocol
Agreement, to consider and give appropriate weight to all relevant facts and
history when determining both an appropriate methodology and when
determining whether the resulting integrated seniority list is fair and equitable.
 
For all of these reasons, we decline to answer Question No. 2 to the extent
that it seeks to have us opine on the applicability of a judicial restriction on
advocacy by any newly appointed East Merger Committee. To the extent that it
asks about whether there will be a Board-imposed limitation on advocacy by any
newly appointed East Merger Committee, we answer the question in the negative.
"
 
 No other further questions by Claxon, your witness west pilots.
 
I would like to reserve my time for any cross examination. 
 
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