2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

Not happening and you should have taken the NIC when we offered at Wye River.

 
Whats not happening?  Are you saying the West MC will not be able to make a proposal?
 
As to your Wye River comment, you obviously do not know WTF you are talking about junior.  It was the east that should have taken the Nic at Wye River.  Now you are heading into a SLI as the lowest paid group with an average longevity below even the West at this point.  Hope you like the bottom of the next list cause that is where you will end up without the Nic.

 

[A320 Driver]

Since you were willing to scab jobs at LCC and work on LOA93 for a decade, "fair and equitable" is gonna be the Nic slotted into the AMR list at a big disadvantage to the LCC!

The scabs are on the West list. Only thing being stolen is our future attrition which many of us have been waiting 3 decades for. The NIC was a joke and a slap in the face. There is a signed agreement which states three lists will be considered effective December 9, 2013. The NIC is only a proposal at this point. Whether or not the arbitrators use it is up to them.

 

[cactusboy53]

The scabs are on the West list. Only thing being stolen is our future attrition which many of us have been waiting 3 decades for. The NIC was a joke and a slap in the face. There is a signed agreement which states three lists will be considered effective December 9, 2013. The NIC is only a proposal at this point. Whether or not the arbitrators use it is up to them.

Sorry, wrong. You have scabs on your list too. The Nic is the product of a mutually agreed upon process. Period. The courts get it. The arbitrators get it. Most other airline pilots get. Bradford led you kids down a very dangerous path, and now someone is going to pay.

In terms of dates, think May 2005. That may help you get it. Ask yourself "What job did I hold in May 2005?"

 

[Phoenix]

Anyone getting all married to the timeline (both the hearing timeline, and the applicable PID) is going to be disappointed.  

 

[nic4us]

The scabs are on the West list. Only thing being stolen is our future attrition which many of us have been waiting 3 decades for. The NIC was a joke and a slap in the face. There is a signed agreement which states three lists will be considered effective December 9, 2013. The NIC is only a proposal at this point. Whether or not the arbitrators use it is up to them.

 
Oh, signed agreement?  Are you talking about the MOU? 
 
The MOU does not say three lists.  Read it again.  
 
Does not matter anyway, because the MOU is the smoking gun of uscaba's DFR violation.  Now we all know the APA and the company were also parties to the MOU, hmmmm, makes you wonder about that whole successor union inheriting its predecessor's obligations.  If I were the APA, (oh,,wait just a second,,I AM,)..I would fix that DFR violating MOU ASAP!!  
 
BTW, you have 2500 scabs on the east as counted in the NMB election of uscaba.  That is around 2475 more than on the West.

 

[nic4us]

Anyone getting all married to the timeline (both the hearing timeline, and the applicable PID) is going to be disappointed.  

 
By December it will be the West loving the delay.

 

[Phoenix]

 
By December it will be the West loving the delay.

 
 
Do tell.  😀

 

[A320 Driver]

Ask yourself "What job did I hold in May 2005?"

If you want to play it that way, then the date would be May 2007. That's when the abortion called the NIC came out.

A330 Captain, PHL

 

[luvthe9]

Whats not happening?  Are you saying the West MC will not be able to make a proposal?
 
As to your Wye River comment, you obviously do not know WTF you are talking about junior.  It was the east that should have taken the Nic at Wye River.  Now you are heading into a SLI as the lowest paid group with an average longevity below even the West at this point.  Hope you like the bottom of the next list cause that is where you will end up without the Nic.

Ain't happening kid, I'll be upgrading long before you'll be let out of PHX

 

[Claxon]

Sorry, wrong. You have scabs on your list too. The Nic is the product of a mutually agreed upon process. Period. The courts get it. The arbitrators get it. Most other airline pilots get. Bradford led you kids down a very dangerous path, and now someone is going to pay.

In terms of dates, think May 2005. That may help you get it. Ask yourself "What job did I hold in May 2005?"

 

"...........The Nic is the product of a mutually agreed upon process. Period. The courts get it. The arbitrators get it. Most other airline pilots get. Bradford led you kids down a very dangerous path, and now someone is going to pay.

The courts and the arbitrators "get it", agreed.
 
12” We decline to order the issuance of the West Pilots’ requested injunction
“that an unmodified Nicolau Award must be used to order the seniority of the East
and West pilots in the pending McCaskill-Bond process.”

9th Circuit Court of Appeals  

“4 While enjoining the USAPA Merger Committee from participating in the McCaskill-
Bond seniority integration arbitration, except to the extent that it advocates the Nicolau
Award, the Addington majority recognized that, given the requirement of a ratification
vote by all pilots for any joint collective bargaining agreement, it was unclear whether the
Nicolau Award would have been implemented fully but for USAPA’s actions. Further,
the court expressly declined to order that an unmodified Nicolau Award be used to order
the seniority of the East and West pilots in the arbitration.”

Arbitration Panel
 

 

[A320 Driver]

Oh, signed agreement?  Are you talking about the MOU? 
 
The MOU does not say three lists.  Read it again.  
 
Does not matter anyway, because the MOU is the smoking gun of uscaba's DFR violation.  Now we all know the APA and the company were also parties to the MOU, hmmmm, makes you wonder about that whole successor union inheriting its predecessor's obligations.  If I were the APA, (oh,,wait just a second,,I AM,)..I would fix that DFR violating MOU ASAP!!  
 
BTW, you have 2500 scabs on the east as counted in the NMB election of uscaba.  That is around 2475 more than on the West.

The Protocol agreement.
Scabs do struck work. You been on strike Butch? Didn't think so...

 

[Claxon]

 
Oh, signed agreement?  Are you talking about the MOU? 
 
The MOU does not say three lists.  Read it again.  
 
Does not matter anyway, because the MOU is the smoking gun of uscaba's DFR violation.  Now we all know the APA and the company were also parties to the MOU, hmmmm, makes you wonder about that whole successor union inheriting its predecessor's obligations.  If I were the APA, (oh,,wait just a second,,I AM,)..I would fix that DFR violating MOU ASAP!!  
 
BTW, you have 2500 scabs on the east as counted in the NMB election of uscaba.  That is around 2475 more than on the West.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Ain't happening kid, I'll be upgrading long before you'll be let out of PHX

That's something Baghdad Bob would say.

Don't forget to click your heals together when you say it.

 

[Claxon]

That's something Baghdad Bob would say.

Don't forget to click your heals together when you say it.

What do you have, in your favor, going into the sli arbitration sir?

 

[Claxon]

west pilots, where did you go?