2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

The board of arbitration panel could not delay because of the murky watered ruling of the 9th.  APA had to present their proposal due to the same.  Judge Silver will not be able to cleanse the water with the murky mandate,
 
Bottom line, delay.       The Judicial Branch of the government vs the Legislative Branch equals delay.
 
Aerator anyone?

 

[im back..!!]

This will be over before you can say "Kasher will pay". 

 

[nic4us]

But won't be used.

 
Well, I suppose it remains to be seen whether the Nic will be used or not, however, since both the West MC and the AAPSIC have used the Nic in their methodology, all signs point to a Nic prioritization of LCC pilots in the final award product.
 
What we do know, for an absolute fact, is that the scab union usapa will have no input whatsoever, unless that input argues for the Nic.

 

[nic4us]

The board of arbitration panel could not delay because of the murky watered ruling of the 9th.  APA had to present their proposal due to the same.  Judge Silver will not be able to cleanse the water with the murky mandate,
 
Bottom line, delay.       The Judicial Branch of the government vs the Legislative Branch equals delay.
 
Aerator anyone?

 
The Judicial and the Legislative are not in conflict in this scenario.
 
What is in conflict is the scab mentality of the usapian agenda and the labor provisions of AM 3 and 13.
 
You are correct in that there will be further delay.  However, it will not be protracted, and the east will really not like the results of the self-inflicted harm their delay causes.

 

[nic4us]

Do you have a link to prove your statement sir?

 
No, so I suggest you read the AAPSIC proposal, and the company arguments in court for the last 8 years.

 

[CactusPilot1]

The board of arbitration panel could not delay because of the murky watered ruling of the 9th.  APA had to present their proposal due to the same.  Judge Silver will not be able to cleanse the water with the murky mandate,
 
Bottom line, delay.       The Judicial Branch of the government vs the Legislative Branch equals delay.
 
Aerator anyone?

 
You remind me of that NYC blowhard, Donald Trump. All talk.
 

 

 

[luvthe9]

Well, I suppose it remains to be seen whether the Nic will be used or not, however, since both the West MC and the AAPSIC have used the Nic in their methodology, all signs point to a Nic prioritization of LCC pilots in the final award product.
 
What we do know, for an absolute fact, is that the scab union usapa will have no input whatsoever, unless that input argues for the Nic.

Wrong again.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Wrong again.

"The NIC...Now dead and gone, finally and forever."

Your tag line shows how much of a dumbschitt you are. It's along the lines of we are going to build a wall on the border and Mexico will pay for it.

 

[Res Judicata]

Wrong again.

"There are no American troops in Baghdad!!"

 

[EastCheats]

"There are no American troops in Baghdad!!"

 
Luv2deny should get a similar reality check on Thurs. 😉
 

 

[stevegreif]

Let's just say screw it and put our real names on these stupid phony ones. I'll go first. My real name is Steve Greif, CLT based AB captain hired by Piedmont Airlines Jan, 5, 1987.  Some of the regulars know "who is who" on this board, but I sure don't. Lets put our names next to this heated discussion. We do it on the APA C&R, so what's the difference here!  I'll start us off,  Steve Greif says Nicoulau screwed it up and because the PHX pilots did not want to compromise at the ALPA  WYE RIVER conference, you have created the PHX stagnation for the last ten years that we are all sick of hearing, including your BFF's Parker and Kirby! That should raise some eyebrows! So grow a set and tell me I'm an A-hole with your real name next to it!

 

[EastCheats]

Let's just say screw it and put our real names on these stupid phony ones. I'll go first. My real name is Steve Greif, CLT based AB captain hired by Piedmont Airlines Jan, 5, 1987.  Some of the regulars know "who is who" on this board, but I sure don't. Lets put our names next to this heated discussion. We do it on the APA C&R, so what's the difference here!  I'll start us off,  Steve Greif says Nicoulau screwed it up and because the PHX pilots did not want to compromise at the ALPA  WYE RIVER conference, you have created the PHX stagnation for the last ten years that we are all sick of hearing, including your BFF's Parker and Kirby! That should raise some eyebrows! So grow a set and tell me I'm an A-hole with your real name next to it!

Lonely?

Try

http://www.crewdating.com

 

[snapthis]

Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 332 Filed 09/21/15

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA


REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL NOTICE
REGARDING REPLIES IN SUPPORT
OF MOTION FOR RULE 25(C)
JOINDER OF ALLIED PILOTS
ASSOCIATION (APA) AND FOR
ISSUANCE OF PERMANENT
INJUNCTION


Plaintiffs respectfully request that this Court take judicial notice of (1) the
Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East) Seniority Integration Committee
dated September 19, 2015; (2) the Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28,
2011 granting US Airways request for an injunction against USAPA in US Airways v.
USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North Carolina); and (3) the
June 13, 2014 Order denying USAPAs Motion to Vacate the September 28, 2011
injunction in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North
Carolina).
Plaintiffs submit that these three documents are pertinent to their Motion for
Rule 25 Joinder and for Issuance of Permanent Injunction [Doc. 317] and the parties
responses and arguments as follows:

(1) Predictably, in the Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East)
Seniority Integration Committee, the East Pilots, via their representatives at APA, have
disregarded the Ninth Circuits opinion and repudiated the Nicolau Award. (See Ex. 1,
excerpt of the Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East) Seniority
Integration Committee dated September 19, 2015, at pages 46-53.1)

(2) Contrary to US Airways objection here to a broad injunction consistent with
Rule 65, in the Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28, 2011 granting US
Airways request for an injunction against USAPA in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-
371RJCDCK, Judge Robert Conrad granted US Airways request for an injunction that
applied to USAPA and its members, agents, and employees, and all persons and
organizations acting by, in concert with, through, or under it, or by and through its
order (See Ex. 2, excerpt of Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28,
2011 in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North
Carolina.)

(3) The June 13, 2014 Order denying USAPAs Motion to Vacate the
September 28, 2011 injunction in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK, which
issued after the MOU was signed and just prior to the commencement of the SLI process
demonstrates that, regardless what label may apply to the East Pilots, injunction language
is broad enough to continue to apply to them.

Respectfully submitted this 21st day of September, 2015.
/s/ Kelly J. Flood _____________


Marty Harper

 

[Claxon]

Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 332 Filed 09/21/15

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA


REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL NOTICE
REGARDING REPLIES IN SUPPORT
OF MOTION FOR RULE 25(C)
JOINDER OF ALLIED PILOTS
ASSOCIATION (APA) AND FOR
ISSUANCE OF PERMANENT
INJUNCTION


Plaintiffs respectfully request that this Court take judicial notice of (1) the
Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East) Seniority Integration Committee
dated September 19, 2015; (2) the Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28,
2011 granting US Airways request for an injunction against USAPA in US Airways v.
USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North Carolina); and (3) the
June 13, 2014 Order denying USAPAs Motion to Vacate the September 28, 2011
injunction in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North
Carolina).
Plaintiffs submit that these three documents are pertinent to their Motion for
Rule 25 Joinder and for Issuance of Permanent Injunction [Doc. 317] and the parties
responses and arguments as follows:

(1) Predictably, in the Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East)
Seniority Integration Committee, the East Pilots, via their representatives at APA, have
disregarded the Ninth Circuits opinion and repudiated the Nicolau Award. (See Ex. 1,
excerpt of the Prehearing Position Statement of the US Airways (East) Seniority
Integration Committee dated September 19, 2015, at pages 46-53.1)

(2) Contrary to US Airways objection here to a broad injunction consistent with
Rule 65, in the Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28, 2011 granting US
Airways request for an injunction against USAPA in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-
371RJCDCK, Judge Robert Conrad granted US Airways request for an injunction that
applied to USAPA and its members, agents, and employees, and all persons and
organizations acting by, in concert with, through, or under it, or by and through its
order (See Ex. 2, excerpt of Memorandum Opinion and Order dated September 28,
2011 in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK (Western District of North
Carolina.)

(3) The June 13, 2014 Order denying USAPAs Motion to Vacate the
September 28, 2011 injunction in US Airways v. USAPA, 3:11-cv-371RJCDCK, which
issued after the MOU was signed and just prior to the commencement of the SLI process
demonstrates that, regardless what label may apply to the East Pilots, injunction language
is broad enough to continue to apply to them.

Respectfully submitted this 21st day of September, 2015.
/s/ Kelly J. Flood _____________


Marty Harper

The courts and the arbitrators "get it", agreed.

12” We decline to order the issuance of the West Pilots’ requested injunction
“that an unmodified Nicolau Award must be used to order the seniority of the East
and West pilots in the pending McCaskill-Bond process.”

9th Circuit Court of Appeals

“4 While enjoining the USAPA Merger Committee from participating in the McCaskill-
Bond seniority integration arbitration, except to the extent that it advocates the Nicolau
Award, the Addington majority recognized that, given the requirement of a ratification
vote by all pilots for any joint collective bargaining agreement, it was unclear whether the
Nicolau Award would have been implemented fully but for USAPA’s actions. Further,
the court expressly declined to order that an unmodified Nicolau Award be used to order
the seniority of the East and West pilots in the arbitration.”

Arbitration Panel
 
The East Merger Committee (E=MC) will represent their pilots interests in the upcoming SLI MB arbitration not USAPA.

 

[Phoenix]

Another wish list of Marty, from Marty, and for Marty. Billing is so easy.