2015 Pilot Discussion.

[FL430]

I'm smiling because I don't have to live in that ghetto.

But yet you make previous posts on your desire to go there, go figure.
You are smiling because you don't know any better of what's in store for you.

 

[CactusPilot1]

But yet you make previous posts on your desire to go there, go figure.
You are smiling because you don't know any better of what's in store for you.

 
I always smile when team ghetto shows up so I can stand on your neck and kick sand in your faces.
 

 

[FL430]

I don't recall you bringing anything but a carcass. Oct 17 can't come soon enough. Bury that stinking POS.

Because of the east franchise you are now an American Airlines pilot, you wouldn't be in that position if it weren't for the east. The east could have done it without you. Feel gifted, and keep smiling little fishy.

 

[CactusPilot1]

 

Not going to miss you. Penn regional.

Allegheny Airlines (Agony Airlines)
For some northeast travelers, this gritty Pittsburgh-based carrier will forever be known as "Agony Airlines," though it actually comes from blue-blood stock, founded by members of the DuPont family. The original name (back in the thirties) was All American Airways and in a way, Allegheny has come full circle.
What happened: The little regional grew up, renamed itself US Airways but will soon go back to its "American" roots after American Airlines completes merger housekeeping chores, such as rebranding its newly acquired US Airways planes. There won't even be a tail logo left. But on the other hand, American's recently updated look is not all that different from US Airways' stylized flag motif. So maybe Allegheny does live on in spirit.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/revisiting-ghosts-airlines-past/story?id=22516714
 
Hey, I can do that too.
 
Nobody misses America Worst.
 
Google Forbes-America's worst airline?
 
America's Worst Airline?

 

We scoured tons of data on canceled flights, lost luggage, staff rudeness and more to find which carrier is worst at what. And the loser is… … America West .

 

 
Howdy Trank, I see you finally came out of the closet.
 
Usapian brown noser.
 

 

[FL430]

I always smile when team ghetto shows up so I can stand on your neck and kick sand in your faces.

You are not in control of your own destiny, much less that of anyone else's. As you swim in your fishbowl, sure you can see the outside world, but there is nothing you can do about it. Your only hope is that someone comes along and changes your water, the east is doing that for you.

 

[FL430]

Mr. Freund, attorney for the west pilots Mccaskill-Bond Seniority List Integration Committee quotes, after demanding the nic award, while demonizing nic like results for his clients in the American SLI.
Excerpts from Mr. Freund’s opening statement to the Mccaskill-Bond Seniority Board of Arbitration.
……“there simply wasn't a pilot group left on earth
who, having read the United-Continental award and
the admonitions of the Panel in that award, would
have the, frankly, chutzpah to make a patently
unreasonable proposal in light of that admonition,
particularly, one -- when one of the Panel members
on this Panel was a Panel member on that Panel.”
“Every one in this room, and I submit
everyone, including the East pilots in their heart
of hearts, knows full well that the integration of
the East and West lists in the manner set out by
George Nicolau in his award is the only way to begin
his arbitration.
 
The East pilots' argument against using
the Nicolau Award is largely a legal one, which
itself is telling.”
“Now, I want to be clear. We are not
arguing to you that you are bound as a matter of law
to the Nicolau Award. That is not our position.”
 
Jeff Freund,   attorney for the america west pilots

This deserves a repeat. Nic4us says that the nic is the only recognized seniority list of U.S. Airways. Problem is that it is not implemented.

 

[Phoenix]

The gold fish have completely lost control of their own emotions.

Get it together fishies.. It's an arbitration, not a burglary in progress.

 

[CactusPilot1]

You are not in control of your own destiny, much less that of anyone else's. As you swim in your fishbowl, sure you can see the outside world, but there is nothing you can do about it. Your only hope is that someone comes along and changes your water, the east is doing that for you.

Don't forget to give the defendants our best wishes.

xoxo

GARY HUMMEL, STEPHEN
BRADFORD, ROB STREBLE,
STEVE SMYSER, ROBERT
FREAR, COURTNEY BORMAN,
and JANE DOE BORMAN,
RONALD NELSON, PAUL DIORIO
PAUL MUSIC, JOHN TAYLOR,
JOE STEIN, PETE DUGSTAD,
JAY MILKEY, and STEPHEN
NATHAN,

Defendants

 

[Claxon]

Mr. Wes Kennedy, SLI attorney for the legacy american airline pilots opening statement quote to the MB SLI BOA.  (emphasis on MB wesley)

“The first objective fact is that there
were three seniority lists in effect as of
December 9, 2013. The American list, the East list,
and the West list.

That is recited -- that is recited in
paragraph 2.b of the Protocol Agreement, which is
Joint Exhibit 10.

It's why you have a separate West
Committee because there were separate East and West
lists with separate interests and expectations as of
the snapshot date.

The West Committee doesn't like that fact.
The West Committee wants you to act as if the
Nicolau Award was in place at that time, credit the
West pilots with virtual jobs they didn't have and
virtual career expectations that they didn't have as
if that was actually the case.
It wasn't the case.
The Nicolau Award wasn't in place in
December 8, 2013.

The East and West pilots were under
separate seniority lists with separate collective
bargaining agreements in separate operations.
That is a fact. It's stubborn, but it's a
Fact.”

Wes Kennedy, Attorney for the american airline pilots.


Wesley, the East pilots know two things at this point.

1  You are trying to play the nic two ways, it was not legal for the west but (IYHO) legal to use by you as a CBA that you birthed.

2  american pilots never showed up without a stapler to an SLI and they will not leave it up to any arbs now.
Wes, fud is not working, East and west will leave it up to the arbs but you will not.  Sharpen your pencil more on your proposed list.
 

 

[nevergiveup]

Don't forget to give the defendants our best wishes.

xoxo

GARY HUMMEL, STEPHEN
BRADFORD, ROB STREBLE,
STEVE SMYSER, ROBERT
FREAR, COURTNEY BORMAN,
and JANE DOE BORMAN,
RONALD NELSON, PAUL DIORIO
PAUL MUSIC, JOHN TAYLOR,
JOE STEIN, PETE DUGSTAD,
JAY MILKEY, and STEPHEN
NATHAN,

Defendants

Innocent. west will pay the legal costs! Please send your check to.....

 

[Claxon]

The west pilots will soon claim two wrongs make a right.  The MB SLI Board of Arbitration was not impressed with the alpa BO (nuetral???) A experienced attorney, Jeffry Freund.

Apparently Mr. Fruend is participating in a real binding arbitration for the first time.

Look for The official MB SLI Board of Arbitration to side bar Mr. Fruend and tell him he is bound by the Protocol Agreement and the nicolau award is a non starter and waste of time.


“MR. FREUND: Sure. Look, I said what I
said in my emails.

And what I said in my emails is
100 percent correct. The West Committee played no
role in negotiating the terms of the Protocol
Agreement. It did not sign off on one word that's
contained in the Protocol Agreement.

I venture to say that if it had been a
party to the Protocol Agreement negotiations, it
would have had different views on any number of
provisions that are contained in the Protocol
Agreement.

And I -- this whole issue arose when I was
being asked to execute a document, which once --
execute a document, supplementing a document that I
had never executed in the first place and my client
had never executed in the first place.

Whether we're bound by the agreement or
not, frankly, is not for me to say.”

Mr. Jeff Freund, attorney and oratory, of the Mother Goose tales for the west pilots.

 

[EastCheats]

Innocent. west will pay the legal costs! Please send your check to.....MARTY HARPER

 

 

 

[Black Swan]

Mr. Freund, attorney for the west pilots Mccaskill-Bond Seniority List Integration Committee quotes, after demanding the nic award, while demonizing nic like results for his clients in the American SLI.
Excerpts from Mr. Freund’s opening statement to the Mccaskill-Bond Seniority Board of Arbitration.
……“there simply wasn't a pilot group left on earth
who, having read the United-Continental award and
the admonitions of the Panel in that award, would
have the, frankly, chutzpah to make a patently
unreasonable proposal in light of that admonition,
particularly, one -- when one of the Panel members
on this Panel was a Panel member on that Panel.”
“Every one in this room, and I submit
everyone, including the East pilots in their heart
of hearts, knows full well that the integration of
the East and West lists in the manner set out by
George Nicolau in his award is the only way to begin
his arbitration.
 
The East pilots' argument against using
the Nicolau Award is largely a legal one, which
itself is telling.”
“Now, I want to be clear. We are not
arguing to you that you are bound as a matter of law
to the Nicolau Award. That is not our position.”
 
Jeff Freund,   attorney for the america west pilots

No wonder Freund walked at Wye River. He got it. Now 9 yrs of Marty Harper and Nic4US, Vasin, Ferguson et al chasing their tails, the truth comes out.

 

[Claxon]

One of Mr. Jeffry Freunds quote below in his opening;

“At the end of the day, we have all been
round the barn with each other for quite some time,
and we're all just a bunch of labor lawyers and
arbitrators trying to sort through a problem.
So although we're sitting in these very
formal settings, this I think of as an informal
exercise to try to get to a correct solution.
So  I'll try to maintain the appropriate
deference    
 
to the three of you,      (MB SLI BOA)                                                 
 
and I don't mean
anything less than that if I, from time to time,
call you Ira rather than Mr. Jaffe.”


ARBITRATOR JAFFE: That's fine.”

Frankly Mr. Freund, Chutzpah.
 

 

[Phoenix]

One of Mr. Jeffry Freunds quote below in his opening;
“At the end of the day, we have all been
round the barn with each other for quite some time,
and we're all just a bunch of labor lawyers and
arbitrators trying to sort through a problem.
So although we're sitting in these very
formal settings, this I think of as an informal
exercise to try to get to a correct solution.
So  I'll try to maintain the appropriate
deference    
 
to the three of you,      (MB SLI BOA)                                                 
 
and I don't mean
anything less than that if I, from time to time,
call you Ira rather than Mr. Jaffe.”
ARBITRATOR JAFFE: That's fine.”
Frankly Mr. Freund, Chutzpah.

It was kinda creepy how much time it took for Freund to pretend the BOA and him were all old pals on a first name basis.