2015 Pilot Discussion.

[dariencc]

Trader is a chip off the old block.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LQ4_MhDu4

 

[Claxon]

Why do you not wear your army of leonidas tie now?
 
Your witness sir.

Your thoughts please sir?

 

[Claxon]

 
My point was I do not seek revenge, (which you implied in your post) 
 
Oh, and I wear the New American tie.  

Your thoughts?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

"West and East flight attendants are unanimous on commenting on the professionalism of the East pilots vs the immaturity and angry attitude of the west pilots."
 
This is not true.
 
Just flew a 3day with west front end. Very professional and very personable.
 
You do a disservice to those of us who are on the front line.
 
Do not speak for us because you only show your ignorance.
 
People are people. Just like you.
 
 

 

[traderjake]

Claxon got that from Phoenix so it must be true.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Claxon got that from Phoenix so it must be true.

Well if Phoenix has bad things to say about west F/A's
I'd like to hear it.
 
I'm east and have nothing bad to report about westies.
I've made good friends from PHX.
 
They like the east side as much as some of us like the west side.
 
It's amazing how civil people get when they are standing in front of you.

 

[Phoenix]

Well if Phoenix has bad things to say about west F/A's
I'd like to hear it.
 
I'm east and have nothing bad to report about westies.
I've made good friends from PHX.
 
They like the east side as much as some of us like the west side.
 
It's amazing how civil people get when they are standing in front of you.

I've never said anything bad about FAs, west or east.

No FAs have said that all west pilots are jerks.. But certainly the majority of FAs (both east and west) who have commented about it to me say they prefer to fly with east pilots. They probably say nice things to whoever they fly with.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
You are spreading the same false logic the scab union propaganda ministers were always inclined to spit out to anyone who would listen.
 
First falsehood..the Nic required a JCBA to make it binding.  Absolutely false.  
 
The truth is the TA required a JCBA to be fulfilled, and then the Nic would have been implemented at LCC.
 
The Nic is still final and binding on the parties to the arbitration.  Those same parties are now in another SLI.
 
The Nic was "in effect" 7 years ago and is still "in effect" today.  Seven years ago there was only one company accepted single seniority list for all LCC pilots, and that has never changed.

"in effect?" (this is yet another reason why we need more money in public education!)

 

[cactusboy53]

I've never said anything bad about FAs, west or east.
No FAs have said that all west pilots are jerks.. But certainly the majority of FAs (both east and west) who have commented about it to me say they prefer to fly with east pilots. They probably say nice things to whoever they fly with.

...as you make your introduction that you are the flight crew for the next 2-3-4 days. I'm shocked.

BTW, I don't even bring it up. I treat the inflight crew all the same way: respectfully. I engage with introductory conversation, ask about kids & interests, & seek a common core.

Let me know if any if you boys need lessons.o

 

[nevergiveup]

...as you make your introduction that you are the flight crew for the next 2-3-4 days. I'm shocked.

BTW, I don't even bring it up. I treat the inflight crew all the same way: respectfully. I engage with introductory conversation, ask about kids & interests, & seek a common core.

Let me know if any if you boys need lessons.o

This is why we love you!

 

[Phoenix]

...as you make your introduction that you are the flight crew for the next 2-3-4 days. I'm shocked.
BTW, I don't even bring it up. I treat the inflight crew all the same way: respectfully. I engage with introductory conversation, ask about kids & interests, & seek a common core.
Let me know if any if you boys need lessons.o

I have never spoken to any FA about the east/west stuff. In the very rare situation where an FA directly asks a question about it I simply respond "it's complicated" and move on to other topics.

P.S. Try to keep up. East pilots are no longer paired with FAs. In a three day trip we will have five sets of FAs., some west some east, and even though the "trip" is very short, it isn't uncommon for them to speak their mind (as described).

 

[Claxon]

You are spreading the same false logic the scab union propaganda ministers were always inclined to spit out to anyone who would listen.
 
First falsehood..the Nic required a JCBA to make it binding.  Absolutely false.  
 
The truth is the TA required a JCBA to be fulfilled, and then the Nic would have been implemented at LCC.
 
The Nic is still final and binding on the parties to the arbitration.  Those same parties are now in another SLI.
 
The Nic was "in effect" 7 years ago and is still "in effect" today.  Seven years ago there was only one company accepted single seniority list for all LCC pilots, and that has never changed.

Hmmmmmm. Who do you chose to believe? Angry 2004 hire Nic4US or Scott Kirby? Looks like time has proven Scott to be truthful and Nic4 us a liar.

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 

[Claxon]

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US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

“Yeah. It’s ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it’s probably because we’re able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots’ union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.

“As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn’t resolved by a court, they really can’t negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can’t agree on what’s going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

“This is a way to start over and — not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

“There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

“That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.

 

[cactusboy53]

Yea, I'm sure the BOA is listening to everything Mr. Kirby says. You've got nothing to worry about. It's gonna be AAwesome!

 

[cactusboy53]

OH NO!! I've got 2 negative votes!! What ever will I do?!?!? Oh yea.. I keep flying professionally, wait for the end of the SLI, wait for the (OTHER) Final & Binding seniority list, and bid what it allows me.

Gee! I sure hope that one of the other participants doesn't SUE (like they did before) and cry "It's not fair!!" (What will be the odds?).