2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

Hmmmmmm. Who do you chose to believe? Angry 2004 hire Nic4US or Scott Kirby? Looks like time has proven Scott to be truthful and Nic4 us a liar.

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 
Well, now you have gone and called me a liar. 
 
My post are not in conflict with your quote of Kirby.  You look really stupid...again.
 
What is in conflict however, is your pea brain and the larger universe.  See, I said the Nic has been "in effect"  and Kirby is talking "implemented".  You must have missed the 8 years that airways had a scab union stealing jobs by forcing non-implementation (which is what Kirby is talking about).  
 
Why don't you ask Kirby how much LCC saved in pilot labor cost vs. its rivals, by telling uscaba to stick a JCBA up there rear unless it included the Nic.  Oh, wait, uscaba had idiots who actually thought the company was willing to negotiate any contract with them, even accused Parker of furloughing as a negotiating "tactic".  What a buffoon the uscaba VP made of himself.  The company was not even negotiating, much less using furloughees as negotiating hostages.
 
Enjoy the weekend! 

 

[Black Swan]

Well, now you have gone and called me a liar. 
 
My post are not in conflict with your quote of Kirby.  You look really stupid...again.
 
What is in conflict however, is your pea brain and the larger universe.  See, I said the Nic has been "in effect"  and Kirby is talking "implemented".  You must have missed the 8 years that airways had a scab union stealing jobs by forcing non-implementation (which is what Kirby is talking about).  
 
Why don't you ask Kirby how much LCC saved in pilot labor cost vs. its rivals, by telling uscaba to stick a JCBA up there rear unless it included the Nic.  Oh, wait, uscaba had idiots who actually thought the company was willing to negotiate any contract with them, even accused Parker of furloughing as a negotiating "tactic".  What a buffoon the uscaba VP made of himself.  The company was not even negotiating, much less using furloughees as negotiating hostages.
 
Enjoy the weekend!

Well, since you have been in the fishbowl, I have moved far up the 320 Cap list and onto the 330 for a year. The W2 is over 300k with the premium pay.Think about what you are missing!

 

[cactusboy53]

Well, since you have been in the fishbowl, I have moved far up the 320 Cap list and onto the 330 for a year. The W2 is over 300k with the premium pay.Think about what you are missing!

Bragging of ill-gotten gains. How utterly wonderful for you. Your parents must be so proud.

 

[Phoenix]

Bragging of ill-gotten gains. How utterly wonderful for you. Your parents must be so proud.

Try to keep up. How many folks our age (gramps on the east) still have our parents?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Without having to read through all the BS on this thread, can someone (objectively) give a summary of where the seniority issue stands with the 3 pilot lists as of this date?

What stance has each group taken and where is it in the SLI process? Legal challenges pending (not future challenges by those who don't get all they want)?

I would really like a factual account with sources to back it up.

Thanks in advance.

 

[cactusboy53]

During the SLI Arbitration Hearings the East Pilot Committee has argued that there are three separate lists. The West Committee AND the LAA Committee argued that the Nicolau Seniority List must be the starting point for the LUS pilots (thus 2 lists from that POV)

Additionally, both the West & East are arguing against the LAA proposal as being a bit of an overreach.

There's another week remaining in the SLI Arbitration Hearings. That time will be spent on rebuttals & closing statements. The BOA will then deliberate and deliver a combined seniority list (sometime in the Spring).

 

[nycbusdriver]

Without having to read through all the BS on this thread, can someone (objectively) give a summary of where the seniority issue stands with the 3 pilot lists as of this date?

What stance has each group taken and where is it in the SLI process? Legal challenges pending (not future challenges by those who don't get all they want)?

I would really like a factual account with sources to back it up.

Thanks in advance.

 
Do your own homework.
 
You're pissing into the wind if you think you're going to get an unbiased narrative on this forum.  You already admit it is full of B.S. and you can't be bothered with it.
 
And, aside from that, if you are a pilot on one of the three lists, then shame on you for not already being up to speed.
 
If you're not on one of those three lists, WTF business is it of yours, and why should we take the time to tutor you on a subject that concerns you not one whit?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

During the SLI Arbitration Hearings the East Pilot Committee has argued that there are three separate lists. The West Committee AND the LAA Committee argued that the Nicolau Seniority List must be the starting point for the LUS pilots (thus 2 lists from that POV)
Additionally, both the West & East are arguing against the LAA proposal as being a bit of an overreach.
There's another week remaining in the SLI Arbitration Hearings. That time will be spent on rebuttals & closing statements. The BOA will then deliberate and deliver a combined seniority list (sometime in the Spring).

Thank you.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Do your own homework.
 
You're pissing into the wind if you think you're going to get an unbiased narrative on this forum.  You already admit it is full of B.S. and you can't be bothered with it.
 
And, aside from that, if you are a pilot on one of the three lists, then shame on you for not already being up to speed.
 
If you're not on one of those three lists, WTF business is it of yours, and why should we take the time to tutor you on a subject that concerns you not one whit?

Wow. Bitter much?

If you don't want to answer...then don't.

At least you didn't challenge me to a dogfight, call me a child, and post a smiley emoticon. There is hope.

Carry on.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Wow. Bitter much?

If you don't want to answer...then don't.

At least you didn't challenge me to a dogfight, call me a child, and post a smiley emoticon. There is hope.

Carry on.

 
Bitter?  In 2007, Nicolau enshrined my position near the top of the list from the get-go.  The SLI taking place now will have absolutely no effect on the remainder of my career which right now sits ar the top pay scales at American Airlines.  My seniority number on my own "east" list is north of 100.  Bitter?  HA!
 
 
How about you?  Lazy much?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Bitter?  In 2007, Nicolau enshrined my position near the top of the list from the get-go.  The SLI taking place now will have absolutely no effect on the remainder of my career which right now sits ar the top pay scales at American Airlines.  Bitter?  HA!
 
How about you?  Lazy?

I am truly happy to hear you are doing well.

Lazy? Not really. I just thought that there are a few here who have the most up to date information on the process. And the previous poster answered my question.

I look forward to reading the arbitration case in full. Good luck to all. I am willing to bet that the best outcome will end up being that not everybody ends up happy...unfortunately.

 

[nic4us]

Well, since you have been in the fishbowl, I have moved far up the 320 Cap list and onto the 330 for a year. The W2 is over 300k with the premium pay.Think about what you are missing!

 
Hey, congrats on the 330 slot.
 
It appears you are now making $40-50k a year more than me.  If you keep it up for the next 5 years you will break even with what you lost by unnecessarily staying on bankrupt  wages for a decade.
 
Of course you will never regain the lost value of money from the past. 
 
As for me, I am missing nothing.  When the SLI issues, and the company solves its IT issues, if I so desire and have the seniority, I will bid the 330, bump all former scab union supporters back to their rightful place and call it a day.
 
You will have still lost a boat load of money in the 2005-2010 era, and I will in most plausible statistical models be senior to you.

 

[nic4us]

 
Bitter?  In 2007, Nicolau enshrined my position near the top of the list from the get-go.  The SLI taking place now will have absolutely no effect on the remainder of my career which right now sits ar the top pay scales at American Airlines.  My seniority number on my own "east" list is north of 100.  Bitter?  HA!
 
 
How about you?  Lazy much?

 
Admit it...you are bitter that the scab union screwed you out of a few hundred grand so that Swan could upgrade.
 
If not, well you ought to be at least a little pissed.  They cost you...hmmm...lets put it into perspective....with the money you lost, You could have paid for a second home,,,you could have paid a full ride for a grand kid to go to Harvard (assuming there is enough good dna in your family gene pool to create a Harvard student),,,you could have a Fleet of 4 or 5 BMWs in the garage,,,maybe a Beech Baron,,,,a nice 40 foot sailboat,,, the list goes on and on.
 
What you will never have, if you supported uscaba, is the respect of your co-workers who did not.  Which is now a very large majority over the 2500 who voted in favor.

 

[Claxon]

Bragging of ill-gotten gains. How utterly wonderful for you. Your parents must be so proud.

The entitled dwellers of the FISHBOWL are going to get more bad news. The IT issues are said to carry into 2017. Possibly 2018. AAL is going to hire 700 pilots next year. PHX is said to only to be getting replacements for the floaters......

 

[Claxon]

Admit it...you are bitter that the scab union screwed you out of a few hundred grand so that Swan could upgrade.
 
If not, well you ought to be at least a little pissed.  They cost you...hmmm...lets put it into perspective....with the money you lost, You could have paid for a second home,,,you could have paid a full ride for a grand kid to go to Harvard (assuming there is enough good dna in your family gene pool to create a Harvard student),,,you could have a Fleet of 4 or 5 BMWs in the garage,,,maybe a Beech Baron,,,,a nice 40 foot sailboat,,, the list goes on and on.
 
What you will never have, if you supported uscaba, is the respect of your co-workers who did not.  Which is now a very large majority over the 2500 who voted in favor.

SWAN x 700 is more like it.
Ask NYC how much his gov t pension that you pay into will be over 20 yrs. can you say 1 million 2004 hire?
What is in your retirement wallet west pilots? Not much when you signed on to awa.
NoNic4me will not be on any 330 in any seat with his hire date.