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[Bear96]

Are you still a flight attendant for UAL?

No. 0/1.

 

[Bear96]

Bear did you not post earlier that you worked with an investment type company?

No. 0/2.

You're wrong an awful lot.

 

[flybynite]

It had everything to do with ALPA National.

For instance, the lost retirement: witnesses state that ALPA National silenced expert testimony (several experts) that stated the DB plan did not have to be terminated. ALPA National refused to let actuaries into the "DB termination negotiations".

ALPA National approved a plan to pay a financial advisor for a deal (any deal) contrary to the Constitution and Bylaws. They approved a contract with a bona-fide B-scale (MetroJet), contrary to Constitution and Bylaws.

I have attended two hearings by ALPA National where their only intent was to cover their tutu and could have cared less about rules or the Constitution.

At the very least, dumping ALPA for the behind the scene manipulation on terminating the DB plan unnecessarily will send a message that the pilots are very dissatisfied and would give the pilots a leg to stand on for re-instatement.

I could go on, but then I would have to name names.

Ahem...Question.

Why would ALPA National squash testimony stating the DB plan didn't need to be terminated? I have an interest here
because the termination of your DB plan impacted the f/a's and their DB plan. And ours was fully funded. <_<

 

[sharktooth]

Ahem...Question.

Why would ALPA National squash testimony stating the DB plan didn't need to be terminated? I have an interest here
because the termination of your DB plan impacted the f/a's and their DB plan. And ours was fully funded. <_<

Why don't you ask ALPA National? or, who ever was running your union when you gave it up?

Fact is, the pilots did not have to terminate.

Fact is, there were only a small percentage of pilots that could benefit from termination, many Shuttle dudes. Don't know if the F/As also could benefit, but, suspect so.

Start looking there......

 

[flybynite]

The f/a's got royally screwed when they terminated our DB plan. That's why we have so many senior f/a's still working. Between that, Social Security Offset and losing retiree medical benefits, we'll all be old as Methuselah before we can afford to retire.

No benefit in that. :down:

 

[nostradamus]

If there is ever an agreement in the Usairways pilot fiasco, some on this board could profit. There will never be a solution with the Nicolau fiasco. Sorry guys, hedge your bets somewhere else. Some of the concern of posters who are not involved in the day to day operations of Usairways are explained below. Money.


LCC stock

 

[nostradamus]

Ode to Profit

Profit is my spirit, profit is my song

If it makes me a profit, it can’t be wrong

Others may seek justice or how to be free

But my only concern is: “What’s in it for me?â€￾



You may say I am wicked, you may say I am wrong

It matters not to me so long as my profit is strong

For when the papers are signed and our business is through

I want to be sure that it was you that got the royal screw



Yes, it is all one big contest to see who has the most

The winners get the profit while the losers get the toast

I am Rax, king of profit, and for that I feel glad

So here is to my profit—and may I never be had

 

[767jetz]

But then I'm entitled to my opinion also, am I not?

You most certainly are. And am I missing something here? Aren't you guys guys the ones saying that all you need is 50% +1 to "impose" a new union on the west??? Landslide or not, isn't a majority still a majority? If DOH was removed from merger policy by a majority vote, and many of those who voted against it (aka: TWA pilots) are now retired, wouldn't that mean that there is now an even larger percentage of pilots who support the current policy?

 

[nostradamus]

You most certainly are. And am I missing something here? Aren't you guys guys the ones saying that all you need is 50% +1 to "impose" a new union on the west??? Landslide or not, isn't a majority still a majority? If DOH was removed from merger policy by a majority vote, and many of those who voted against it (aka: TWA pilots) are now retired, wouldn't that mean that there is now an even larger percentage of pilots who support the current policy?

767 quote August 30, 2003 when there was a possible Usairways United merger.


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737nCH11,

I think I agree with most of your comments. No matter what it would be a powder keg though. I never really considered the fact that with the current average age at USAir of 46, fences could work. This is what TWA did when it aquired Ozark. It is a good example of a large airline with worldwide reach, absorbing a smaller carrier of regional size. By the time the fences came down, the most senior pilots had retired or were close to retiring, and they did so on the aircraft they would have retired off of anyway. I suppose that could work.

 

[767jetz]

767 quote August 30, 2003 when there was a possible Usairways United merger.

I think you're losing it, nostradamus. At no point did I say fences could not be part of a solution between West and East. But fences have absolutely nothing to do with DOH or LOS. It also has nothing to do with my comments on ALPA merger policy and DOH. :huh:
I'm very impressed and flattered however by your admiration and determination to go back to 2003 and study my comments on a separate matter.

By the way, the time to negotiate things like fences is during mediation, not after arbitration. 🙄

 

[nostradamus]

I think you're losing it, nostradamus. At no point did I say fences could not be part of a solution between West and East. But fences have absolutely nothing to do with DOH or LOS. It also has nothing to do with my comments on ALPA merger policy and DOH. :huh:
I'm very impressed and flattered however by your admiration and determination to go back to 2003 and study my comments on a separate matter.

By the way, the time to negotiate things like fences is during mediation, not after arbitration. 🙄

"I didn't really say everything I said."

Yogi Berra

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Do any folks here actually believe that a federal court will utilize a wide degree of reasonableness in any way other then to affirm a full and binding arbitration award?

hp_fa,

I believe the court would have to find "damages" in order to render any kind of judgment. You know what's really weird -- the HP pilots will have to exhibit their windfall in order to make that case. This will be one really twisted court case IF it ever goes that far. Simply put, I don't think you'll ever see these two pilot groups working together -- there is just too much animosity and that could be unsafe.

Later,
Eye

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I see, so you showed him one line completly without context and he was able to form an opinion that matched your own. Simply amazing. Yes you have conclusivly proven that a majority of of pilots agree with the east. Iam cowed.

As usual, you read what you want to read. My response was to 767jetz about a majority of pilots. HIS supposed majority. And no it wasn't one line. And yes it was in context. He was amazed at how this award was crafted. Maybe you should go back to my original reply to jetz and start over. Now that would be amazing.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Stay on LOA93 FOREVER!!! And YOUR B Scale, less vacation accrual, training pay, and whatelse! Your choice.

Under USAPA I will have a choice, and a vote.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

You most certainly are. And am I missing something here? Aren't you guys guys the ones saying that all you need is 50% +1 to "impose" a new union on the west??? Landslide or not, isn't a majority still a majority? If DOH was removed from merger policy by a majority vote, and many of those who voted against it (aka: TWA pilots) are now retired, wouldn't that mean that there is now an even larger percentage of pilots who support the current policy?

Sorry, but I didn't vote on anything. At the time I was a member in good standing. So what happened? Where was my vote to change the Costitution and ByLaws? If you were around, where was yours?

So what is your majority of the the pilots in the industry? How many did you personally talk to? Finally are we changing the subject matter to include the NMB rules? I am just trying to keep up?