DON'T GET REAMED.......

[Birdman]

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) tells ANN that its members working at United Airlines ratified the tentative contract agreement with the company through electronic balloting.

How are you going to get all that work back after its gone?

The AMFA vote at United took place in 2005. There was ample MRO capacity at the time to absorb not only United, but NW maintenance, not to mention a surplus of AMT's. That is not the case today. Absent evidence to the contrary, of which your welcome to provide, AA has few choices to outsource heavy maintenance at this time. Why should we bargain as if they did?

 

[Overspeed]

The AMFA vote at United took place in 2005. There was ample MRO capacity at the time to absorb not only United, but NW maintenance, not to mention a surplus of AMT's. That is not the case today. Absent evidence to the contrary, of which your welcome to provide, AA has few choices to outsource heavy maintenance at this time. Why should we bargain as if they did?

MRO capacity is not available? Says who? AAR just picked up the old NWA facility in anticipation of picking up the Air Canada or AA work and Aveos Canada and PEMCO filed BK due to not enough work. There is capacity and MRO's waiting to suck up the work. You are sadly mistaken.

 

[Overspeed]

dues collectors save jobs at the expense of pay & benefits......and craft unions enhance pay & benefits for the one's remaining, pick one?

And you will be one of the lucky ones making $40/hour?

 

[paul1]

vote no! there no guarn. in anything except they will have to continue negotiations! ((with the 1113 enforced (maybe)) my understanding no airline has come out of bk with out consensual agreements

the investors don't like unrest

 

[swamt]

Cowboys, Hillbillies, and Yankee's unite!! Where are the AMFA cards?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to say it but it's too late my friend. You AA'ers had your chance many years ago to vote AMFA in. Too late to start screaming for them now. We warned all you AA mechs long ago. You guys are too deep in BK and nego to try and even think about a card drive now. Your all giong to have to deal with what the TWU is going to slam down your throats.

 

[tom barry]

This "junior" proud okie is voting no. So kiss it you old retired yank fart... 😛

Stand PROUD jr. OKIE for ALWAYS doing what you Believe in !!

I RESPECT You (for what its worth)

Good Luck, and ALWAYS remember....Y O U and your co-workers ARE the UNION, Not Jim Little.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Hate to say it but it's too late my friend. You AA'ers had your chance many years ago to vote AMFA in. Too late to start screaming for them now. We warned all you AA mechs long ago. You guys are too deep in BK and nego to try and even think about a card drive now. Your all giong to have to deal with what the TWU is going to slam down your throats.

Ask the Northwest mechanics, if you can find any of them, how AMFA worked out for them.
Nearly all of them were removed from the job before Northwest even filed for BK.
Careers over.

 

[TWU informer]

Ask the Northwest mechanics, if you can find any of them, how AMFA worked out for them.
Nearly all of them were removed from the job before Northwest even filed for BK.
Careers over.

You cannot call this a career anymore if wages, benefits, and work rules are going to be sacrificed everytime your union goes into negotiations.

 

[BigMac]

Stand PROUD jr. OKIE for ALWAYS doing what you Believe in !!

I RESPECT You (for what its worth)

Good Luck, and ALWAYS remember....Y O U and your co-workers ARE the UNION, Not Jim Little.

Thank you Bears

 

[dc10boy]

OK this 2009 Frontier ruling seems to contradict itself.It seems to say that the last company proposal prior to the 1113 hearing is the last recognized, and therefore imposed.However the Frontier contract was rejected 11-1-08 and the judge imposed the company's 6th and last proposal dated 10-31-08? Then the ruling to reject was then overturned on appeal and a consensual agreement was ratified.Has anybody found any more concrete info on this?

 

[Birdman]

MRO capacity is not available? Says who? AAR just picked up the old NWA facility in anticipation of picking up the Air Canada or AA work and Aveos Canada and PEMCO filed BK due to not enough work. There is capacity and MRO's waiting to suck up the work. You are sadly mistaken.

At last count AAR needed about 500 mechanics to fill current needs. Aveos had "productivity issues" and Pemco had "competition issues". Air Canada, which supplied Aveos with 90% of their work, has "sucked up" any capacity that may have been available. One has to wonder why you are debating these issues from the compAAny's position instead of the union memberships.

 

[CMH_GSE]

TWU Informer , I noticed you didn't touch the mainpoint of my post.
AMFA didn't do diddly for Northwest mechanics, every single one of them were replaced.
I'm sure that is a much better outcome than what we are faced wit.

 

[Hopeful]

Exactly, thats why I'm voting NO and not trying to spread fear like you.

I don't see where I am spreading fear. ALL I am saying is that if you look through the eyes of those who are most at risk of losing their jobs, I doubt they are going to see things they way others see them. That's all. Just trying to sympathize with those with a lot less seniority than me and how they might vote and rationalize their thinking.

As I stated before I don't like any of this. My posts are simply saying that we all need to put ourselves in other people's shoes to possibly see their slant on things. Just like we have all wanted those who live in lower cost areas to put themselves in our shoes at the high cost areas.

You are actually preaching to the choir because I agree with you on many a issue.
I truly hope that the younger crowd leave this business for good and not get suckered into any false hopes of it ever getting better.

 

[Flying low]

Question,
When/if this fails and the judge imposes the term sheet, we go back/start negotiations all over again.
What gives the company any incentive to negotiate?
The way all these many threads read, we will never be released to strike.

 

[Hopeful]

Question,
When/if this fails and the judge imposes the term sheet, we go back/start negotiations all over again.
What gives the company any incentive to negotiate?
The way all these many threads read, we will never be released to strike.

Yea...seems to come under the "damned if you do and damned if you don't" and "caught behind a rock and hard place" rules.
I would still like to hear some facts about exiting bankruptcy with NO consensual agreements if all three unions had them imposed upon abrogation?