"Easties" out West

[drrstrav]

Oh I realize it is probably a thankless job and there is one scheduler well OK, two one is lady with a name that starts with a J and one is a guy with name that starts with a R. Both are always really nice to me and I always go out of my way to be nice to them too. They answer any questions I have and always makes sense when they tell me why they are doing what they are doing, and I am always happy to help them out. However, there is one women, with a name that starts with a L that is a total wench and if I ever see her in a crosswalk I am speeding up....she was fired once because she is such a b1tch somehow ended up back.

Both (J and R) are active flight attendant with HP. They know and understand, since they are walking in our shoes.

Your more than welcome to take a position in scheduling when one comes available if you think you can do it better.

Also scheduling does not grant VLOA's. That is granted by the company. And when we see how many they give we are just as puzzled.

I am sorry tho disaggree here. I asked "the company" why we have VLOA, when we are always critical". Guess what was the answer: "It is not us, it is the scheduling who decides on these kind of issues. " Question: who is telling the truth?

 

[nyprincess]

Something that happened recently....Six f/a's were on hot and all six were extended and given trips that were in the system all day. They all went to the sups office and three of them handed in their badges on the spot and said they were done dealing with this crap. This happens too often and nothing is being none. If you greive it scheduling will get a slap on the hand, turn around and do it again.

 

[HPGUY]

Sounds like a poorly run operation like PSA and Mesa. The old US system was great if you were on OPR then you went first and usually got a great trip.

I believe 2 schedulers do in the west what 15 do in the east. The operation itself is ran very well... the work rules that the AFA negotiated for West are just different.

Tagging is a rule placed in the west AFA contract so of course the company utilizes it. And all of the effects are not bad depending on your perspective. It allows for "Lineholders" to drop portions of their trips up to the day of the flights. Because it maximizes reserve utilization it means fewer people have to sit reserve and of course a shorter sit on reserve.

You might do better to try and modify it's use to you're advantage. Rules like, "a reserve will only be tagged if no reserve on standby is legal and available for the flights."

If you want tagging to be done away with the union will have to make other concessions during negotiations. Tagging is too great a value to the company ( both finacially and operationally) to think they'll just give it up without expecting something in return. It's the nature of negotiations... everything has a doller amount stamped on it and then they're haggled over.

 

[HPGUY]

Both (J and R) are active flight attendant with HP. They know and understand, since they are walking in our shoes.
I am sorry tho disaggree here. I asked "the company" why we have VLOA, when we are always critical". Guess what was the answer: "It is not us, it is the scheduling who decides on these kind of issues. " Question: who is telling the truth?

VLOA are granted based on forcasted absences. AUTO are approved and denied based on actual absences. I'm sure we all are aware of the difference.

Staffing has more to do with the FAs themselve than the company. Ask yourself if you believe the sudden spike in sick calls on Christmas or New Years is actually due to a spike in illness. Of course it's not and I don't know if I can blame anyone for that. However, I believe it illustrates that the FAs have more control over staffing than they're aware.

All the company can do is react to insure the customers are taken care of. If you don't like your work rules and how they're used... you have the union to blame not the schedulers who are expected inforce them.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

I believe 2 schedulers do in the west what 15 do in the east. The operation itself is ran very well... the work rules that the AFA negotiated for West are just different.

Tagging is a rule placed in the west AFA contract so of course the company utilizes it. And all of the effects are not bad depending on your perspective. It allows for "Lineholders" to drop portions of their trips up to the day of the flights. Because it maximizes reserve utilization it means fewer people have to sit reserve and of course a shorter sit on reserve.

You might do better to try and modify it's use to you're advantage. Rules like, "a reserve will only be tagged if no reserve on standby is legal and available for the flights."

If you want tagging to be done away with the union will have to make other concessions during negotiations. Tagging is too great a value to the company ( both finacially and operationally) to think they'll just give it up without expecting something in return. It's the nature of negotiations... everything has a doller amount stamped on it and then they're haggled over.

Wow...Looks like the Director of Crew Scheduling has spoken!

 

[Zarah]

I believe 2 schedulers do in the west what 15 do in the east. The operation itself is ran very well...

Not really working very well if schedulers are snapping at the FAs and do not have time to answer questions without biting somebodies head off.

The schedulers should clean up their own backyard before giving advice to the FA group about how to clean up theirs.

 

[hula-flyguy]

I believe 2 schedulers do in the west what 15 do in the east. The operation itself is ran very well... the work rules that the AFA negotiated for West are just different.

Tagging is a rule placed in the west AFA contract so of course the company utilizes it. And all of the effects are not bad depending on your perspective. It allows for "Lineholders" to drop portions of their trips up to the day of the flights. Because it maximizes reserve utilization it means fewer people have to sit reserve and of course a shorter sit on reserve.

You might do better to try and modify it's use to you're advantage. Rules like, "a reserve will only be tagged if no reserve on standby is legal and available for the flights."

If you want tagging to be done away with the union will have to make other concessions during negotiations. Tagging is too great a value to the company ( both finacially and operationally) to think they'll just give it up without expecting something in return. It's the nature of negotiations... everything has a doller amount stamped on it and then they're haggled over.

I'm sure AFA would be more than happy to give up RUDE schedulers in order to do away with tagging. Seems fair to me.

 

[nyprincess]

If you don't like your work rules and how they're used... you have the union to blame not the schedulers who are expected inforce them.

If the schedulers actually inforced the work rules why are we constantly grieving to the union or going to our sups for almost everything they do. And if you think being spoken to like a child is part of the work rules you are mistaken.

 

[hp_fa]

If the schedulers actually inforced the work rules why are we constantly grieving to the union or going to our sups for almost everything they do. And if you think being spoken to like a child is part of the work rules you are mistaken.

Back when I was a reserve I was actually screamed at by a scheduler who was trying to give me a clearly illegal trip from an extended Hot Reserve shift. Three of us had been in the Hot room for eight hours when an attempt was made to send us to JFK via LAS. The reserves who did get it, who had checked in about four hours later, ended up going over 14 hours anyway because of all the snafus that day. The three of us would have been over 18 had we not stood our ground with the screaming scheduler.

 

[USstew23]

I believe 2 schedulers do in the west what 15 do in the east. The operation itself is ran very well... the work rules that the AFA negotiated for West are just different.

Tagging is a rule placed in the west AFA contract so of course the company utilizes it. And all of the effects are not bad depending on your perspective. It allows for "Lineholders" to drop portions of their trips up to the day of the flights. Because it maximizes reserve utilization it means fewer people have to sit reserve and of course a shorter sit on reserve.

You might do better to try and modify it's use to you're advantage. Rules like, "a reserve will only be tagged if no reserve on standby is legal and available for the flights."

If you want tagging to be done away with the union will have to make other concessions during negotiations. Tagging is too great a value to the company ( both finacially and operationally) to think they'll just give it up without expecting something in return. It's the nature of negotiations... everything has a doller amount stamped on it and then they're haggled over.

Well if there is anything that even mentions the word "tagging" or being called in to do silly little 1 hour turns in this new contract it will be a BIG FAT NO!!! from me. I am just going to plan on being on RSV (we never know what is going to happen)even after this is all settled and there is no way in hell that I (or anyone else with common sense)will ever go for such crap. The RSV system is by no means as good as it used to be but no where near as bad as it is out West. I expect some quality of life and I am not going to vote yes (yet again) for some concessionary(sp?) contract. I did it 3 times before because I wanted to "save the company" but those days are over!!!!

 

[HPGUY]

Not really working very well if schedulers are snapping at the FAs and do not have time to answer questions without biting somebodies head off.

The schedulers should clean up their own backyard before giving advice to the FA group about how to clean up theirs.

If a scheduler is rude to you I suggest you have the tapes pulled. An inflight sup can take care of this for you. But of course this request is rare from the crew members. Usually due to the fact that they themselves were "rude" at somepoint in the conversation.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

If a scheduler is rude to you I suggest you have the tapes pulled. An inflight sup can take care of this for you. But of course this request is rare from the crew members. Usually due to the fact that they themselves were "rude" at somepoint in the conversation.

The Director of Crew Scheduling speaks again.

 

[HPGUY]

If the schedulers actually inforced the work rules why are we constantly grieving to the union or going to our sups for almost everything they do. And if you think being spoken to like a child is part of the work rules you are mistaken.

The number of complaints from the FA group that reach the grievance process is very small. And if you compare the number of transacations made by the schedulers in a year with the number of grievances won... Microscopic.

Another important point is that schedulers are taught these work rules. The grievances won by the union are mostly made up of work rule interpretation passed down by management. The schedulers themselve are told not to make interpreations but to spew back what they've been taught.

I'm not saying that schedulers don't make mistakes because they most definitely do. They're human like everyone else and will (no matter how good they are) mess up in a big way from time to time.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

The number of complaints from the FA group that reach the grievance process is very small. And if you compare the number of transacations made by the schedulers in a year with the number of grievances won... Microscopic.

Another important point is that schedulers are taught these work rules. The grievances won by the union are mostly made up of work rule interpretation passed down by management. The schedulers themselve are told not to make interpreations but to spew back what they've been taught.

I'm not saying that schedulers don't make mistakes because they most definitely do. They're human like everyone else and will (no matter how good they are) mess up in a big way from time to time.

They must remember that we, the FA's, are their customers. If my customers question me about a particular request I make onboard the aircraft, I am not allowed to yell at them or in anyway belittle them... so why should Crew Sched. do this? They work for US!

 

[HPGUY]

Well if there is anything that even mentions the word "tagging" or being called in to do silly little 1 hour turns in this new contract it will be a BIG FAT NO!!! from me. I am just going to plan on being on RSV (we never know what is going to happen)even after this is all settled and there is no way in hell that I (or anyone else with common sense)will ever go for such crap. The RSV system is by no means as good as it used to be but no where near as bad as it is out West. I expect some quality of life and I am not going to vote yes (yet again) for some concessionary(sp?) contract. I did it 3 times before because I wanted to "save the company" but those days are over!!!!

More power to ya!!! Have your say and you vote!! That's the benefit of being in a union.

But someone answer me this. If I have a let's say a PHL BOS PHL turn open. And I can't call a reserve from home to do it and I can't tag it. What does the company do with the the BOS turn?