Fleet Service apathy

[robbedagain]

Most of the cities for the 2008 CBA are primarily on the west as wings said from 2003 and 2005 a large number of stations got axed but what was ironic was that BDL and PVD were added to class I list just to get the contracts thru then and screw the rest that should never ever happen again period

 

[exramper]

FACT..PVD and BDL were added to class 1 stations at last minute thanks to AGC Joe Maccarone...he didn't want to take a chance that these stations would be farmed out and these people would then bid BOS and kick HIS people lower on the seniority list. Also another sticking point in our contract is that America West stations have a much lower number of flights than USAir stations before they could be farmed out...this help get the contract thru..can we say discrimination????

 

[wings396]

wings396,
That they did. However, we as a membership ratified it, not seeing the potential threat to the membership. It's time to stop placing blame and focus on the true issues in our contract that need to be addressed and rectified. We need to learn from the history of our previous mistakes or we, our leadership and members, are destined to repeat them.
ograc

Nothing against you, but I have heard how the "membership" ratified it way too many times. When one makes that point, they fail to recognize that those who ratified it, were not going to be affected by it. The hubs and class 1 stations threw everyone else under the bus without a second thought.
As mentioned the addition of PVD & BDL to the class 1 list also gave the company/union over 60% of the vote in class 1 stations. Can anyone say "stacking the vote". Lets not forget about the fabulous 60 day furlough rule while we are at it. I doubt that the company came up with this crap, since the Fleet group were the ONLY ONES with this in their CBA. Pretty much a seniority cleansing by the IAM to keep those senior guys out of "Their" stations. It's way too late to be concerned about the outsourcing of stations since most are gone, and the rest will follow before these Clowns get a better CBA together.

 

[Tim Nelson]

FACT..PVD and BDL were added to class 1 stations at last minute thanks to AGC Joe Maccarone...he didn't want to take a chance that these stations would be farmed out and these people would then bid BOS and kick HIS people lower on the seniority list. Also another sticking point in our contract is that America West stations have a much lower number of flights than USAir stations before they could be farmed out...this help get the contract thru..can we say discrimination????

PVD and BDL addendum A that quaranteed them class 1 has now disappeared from the contract. It was one of the discrepencies that was sent by letter from Delaney's crew to AH. Now, that letter disappeared also.
Bottom line is not until the members occupy this union will anything change. It will just continue being the 'mouse's wheel' until then.

Onward www.Occupyiam141.com

Tim

 

[ograc]

Does anyone have a list of all of the stations that have been or are being farmed out since the TA was ratified? Or what the fleet staffing reductions have been at stations that are still mainline?

I hope someone on this board has the resources to compile those numbers. It would reflect the devestation inflicted on our group. I'm sure after reviewing the numbers it would heighten the importance of getting this awful language fixed. I'm afraid until then the numbers are going to continue to climb.

 

[ograc]

Nothing against you, but I have heard how the "membership" ratified it way too many times. When one makes that point, they fail to recognize that those who ratified it, were not going to be affected by it. The hubs and class 1 stations threw everyone else under the bus without a second thought.
As mentioned the addition of PVD & BDL to the class 1 list also gave the company/union over 60% of the vote in class 1 stations. Can anyone say "stacking the vote". Lets not forget about the fabulous 60 day furlough rule while we are at it. I doubt that the company came up with this crap, since the Fleet group were the ONLY ONES with this in their CBA. Pretty much a seniority cleansing by the IAM to keep those senior guys out of "Their" stations. It's way too late to be concerned about the outsourcing of stations since most are gone, and the rest will follow before these Clowns get a better CBA together.

The company played class 1 against class 2 to get the votes needed. You're right they effectively "stacked the deck" and it worked. Another example of this strategy is when they offered $19.00 per hour in class 1 and $17.00 per hour in class 2. I hope it's not too late for the remaining outline stations. Hopefully, Parker and his COO will be too pre occupied with AA for awhile. There are still quite a few, fairly large class 2 stations out there. Many are above the 56 flight threshold now, but with a little tweeking of the equipment flown, could find themselves in the crosshairs.
orgac

 

[bpsolo]

robbedagain,
I cannot speak for our members in LAS. I do know they have experienced the same "company wrath" of downsizing and job elimination as Pittsburgh. Both cities, once the center of operations of America West and US Airways respectively, have been flushed down the toilet of the combined carrier. These are the "synergies" the company speaks of when proposing a merger. Make no mistake about it, "synergies" translate into cost reduction, station closures and eventual job elimination. This leads to better corporate profitability, better return to the shareholders and bigger bonuses for the company executives. With the AA bankruptcy and US Airways' documented interest no one should feel secure. With this in mind, you would think the focus of negotiations going forward, would be about securing our work. Better language governing sub contracting and change in successorship.
orgac

RIGHT ON BROTHER!!!!!!Gone after thirtyyyyyyyy years-PIT (YA BABY)

 

[bpsolo]

Nothing against you, but I have heard how the "membership" ratified it way too many times. When one makes that point, they fail to recognize that those who ratified it, were not going to be affected by it. The hubs and class 1 stations threw everyone else under the bus without a second thought.
As mentioned the addition of PVD & BDL to the class 1 list also gave the company/union over 60% of the vote in class 1 stations. Can anyone say "stacking the vote". Lets not forget about the fabulous 60 day furlough rule while we are at it. I doubt that the company came up with this crap, since the Fleet group were the ONLY ONES with this in their CBA. Pretty much a seniority cleansing by the IAM to keep those senior guys out of "Their" stations. It's way too late to be concerned about the outsourcing of stations since most are gone, and the rest will follow before these Clowns get a better CBA together.

WORD UP

 

[bpsolo]

PVD and BDL addendum A that quaranteed them class 1 has now disappeared from the contract. It was one of the discrepencies that was sent by letter from Delaney's crew to AH. Now, that letter disappeared also.
Bottom line is not until the members occupy this union will anything change. It will just continue being the 'mouse's wheel' until then.

Onward www.Occupyiam141.com

Tim

Look man, the IAM has never been concerned about fleet service and there contract. The only one they take of is the mechanics, PERIOD! STRENGTH IN NUNBERS

 

[bpsolo]

The company played class 1 against class 2 to get the votes needed. You're right they effectively "stacked the deck" and it worked. Another example of this strategy is when they offered $19.00 per hour in class 1 and $17.00 per hour in class 2. I hope it's not too late for the remaining outline stations. Hopefully, Parker and his COO will be too pre occupied with AA for awhile. There are still quite a few, fairly large class 2 stations out there. Many are above the 56 flight threshold now, but with a little tweeking of the equipment flown, could find themselves in the crosshairs.
orgac
[Your right there, PIT is right there in the crosshairs.

 

[700UW]

Look man, the IAM has never been concerned about fleet service and there contract. The only one they take of is the mechanics, PERIOD! STRENGTH IN NUNBERS

Really the previous GVP or Transportation while this was all going on was a ramper, the district reps are all rampers. Rampers negotiated your CBA, not Mechanics.

And there are more Fleet Service in the IAM than Airline Mechanics.

 

[wings396]

Fleet has always taken a back seat to mtc. I had several on the mtc side flat out tell me that they didn't want us in their union. Told me that unskilled labor wasn't in their class, and that they didn't care for us riding on their shirt tails when it came contract time.....

 

[Harry Callahan]

Fleet has always taken a back seat to mtc. I had several on the mtc side flat out tell me that they didn't want us in their union. Told me that unskilled labor wasn't in their class, and that they didn't care for us riding on their shirt tails when it came contract time.....

+1 I've been told the EXACT same thing.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Fleet has always taken a back seat to mtc. I had several on the mtc side flat out tell me that they didn't want us in their union. Told me that unskilled labor wasn't in their class, and that they didn't care for us riding on their shirt tails when it came contract time.....

Sadly that's not very forward thinking. Trade unionism has always been about strength in numbers. Maybe I'm so "old School" that I'm brand new again! 😀 In my never to be humble opinion if you want to grab Doug Parker and Scott Kirby by the balls and twist the way to do it is to merge every work group into one Union. Call it, US Airways Employee Association (USAEA)!

You could actually offer the company some benefits as well. They would get to have one Health care plan to administer, insurance & retirement as well. This helps to streamline and leave more money on the table to be negotiated as pay raises. Commonality of certain work rules also is a benefit to the company.

Ok so what does the rank and file get? No more divide and conquer, One union, one contract. Real power at the bargaining table. Company doesn't do a deal the entire place walks out. No opportunity to hire scabs or pit a group on strike against the rest of the workers.

With the benefits to the company outlined above and some good old fashioned horse trading there is IMO no reason that the win win of lower cost and and an industry leading contract couldn't be achieved. Will it happen? Unlikely. But hey it's an internet board one can dream right?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Look man, the IAM has never been concerned about fleet service and there contract. The only one they take of is the mechanics, PERIOD! STRENGTH IN NUNBERS

The UA presidents didn't give a rip about US AIRWAYS fleet. Always second best and will remain second best until the US AIRWAYS fleet puts in someone with their own blood that will treat them as even as UA ramp.

Rich Dealany would have NEVER agreed to support managements desire to lock out these last 5 stations if they had the UA brand on them. Anyone who signs a LOA without membership consent and supports management locking out 5 stations is a fraud to labor. Bottom line.

Onward www.occupyiam141.com

Tim