Fleet Service apathy

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, his point is that if you don't list your qualifications then you must not have any! Show us the facts about you! Man up. Don't tell us why the others are wrong for the job, tell us why you are RIGHT for the job! As it stands right now you're a cheap underhanded politician whose sole campaign is why your opponent is bad. I've got news for you Tim, that means you've got nothing to bring to the table. PROVE ME WRONG! Step up to the mature side of campaigning and explain to us why you are right. I'm not looking for who doesn't suck, or just sucks less, I'm looking for who's the best person for the position.

I have

I have 'proven and successful' District leadership experience as I led the organizing department and got the job done while already on a District job. I did exactly what I told everyone I was going to do. That's the scoreboard. I was a local chairman for 6 years. Have a masters education with a proficiency in contemporary culture. I also want to bring fresh ideas about unionism to this union and why I was running for President. I expressed this in this video, click here

I am the only Presidential candidate that put forth a plan and platform to show you how we will reinvent the paternal structure that I find obsolete. Click here

I also put out videos explaining the platform. Click Here

Put out videos talking about Hawaiian, United, and US AIRWAYS. Click Here

Clearly, my campaign has been successful because I have put forth my qualifications and plan. I was blessed with the full undisputed nominations of each US AIRWAYS hub and also got 25% more votes than Delaney at the two biggest United Hubs.

It's going to be a 3 way race and it's going to be close. Time will tell.

Onward!

 

[mike33]

You are misinformed SayWhat.

Why do you presume you need a cooling off or a PEB? I think the thing you are missing is that if you don't have a contract then you are free to sitdown, walkout, slowdown, etc. The reason why UA, US, or any other airline contract has to wait till a 30 day cooling off is because of their contract. And that's exactly why Southwest management wanted to get a no strike no picket clause immediately. Compare that with Piedmont airlines regional airline. Remember, the Piedmont agents organized 6 months before Airtran. Because they didn't have a no strike no picket agreement, they were free to stage walkouts. Below is a cut and paste from one of their updates.

Charlotte Agents Stage Silent Walk
Over 40 CLT agents staged a silent walk in E Concourse on Friday afternoon September 14.

The agents marched from Gate 1 to Gate 18 to Gate 35. The walk lasted 10 minutes.

Piedmont management was upset. They brought it up at negotiations on Monday and told us that USAirways wanted to know what the heck was going on. We said that it would be in everybody's interest (the workers and management) to get these negotiations resolved as soon as possible.


A union has leverage in negotiations, if it doesn't have any no strike no picket clause. That's why Southwest management wanted to snatch it. Hopefully, since we just organized the Continental customer service group, the ND won't give away a no strike no picket clause without getting something substantial. I'm not saying that one will be able to get an exhaustive contract by withholding a no strike clause but certainly more than just a .30 cent pay raise.

Occupyiam141 website....Click Here

Onward!

Ok Look!,....was it a walkout as you claim or was there no flights at the time and they decided to use this time to walk the concourse. If you really know the answer Tim, let all the readers know ! 10 mins is a fast walk in CLT. And were they holding signs when the strolled the terminal?

Each story has many parts ! I question all the parts cuz thats just me!

Explain the " No Strike No Picket " clause to the readers...........Just so they don't think that you can never go on strike or walk a picket line!

Thing need to be explained not just thrown out there for interpretation!!!!

I have yet to see any HA / UA / or CO comments on this board regarding how they got screwed !

 

[Tim Nelson]

PJ...

This is a MUST if Tim is serious about getting support for this occupy fiasco he has masterminded...

All I have seen thus far are 'names' thrown up as a slate... with NO qualifications to accompany them. Niblet, and the guy from UA are the only folks so far to actually present some transparency in this regard. Further, Tim claims very little time would be spent on training these individuals to just step-in, and take over. This is a complete falsehood... educating and training someone from zero all the way to AGC caliber takes time... and that's just the academics... we can't even place value on experience! Guys like MF and MB have years of experience that Tim want's to just disregard and flush down the toilet to further his own agenda.

I can't believe Tim makes reference to this complete gutting of leadership as just being necessary "pruning"... The reality is this... he wants to rip the entire tree up by the roots... fill the hole... and plant a Tim Nelson seedling in it's place!

Roabily,

You keep talking about how the AGC's are professionally trained. I'm not sure where you are getting your information so please reference what training the current AGC's have had over 4 years? You seem to think that there is alot of training for AGC's. Unfortunately, there isn't! Don't get me wrong, I think there should be an incredible amount of training for AGC's along with the President. The truth is that there is very little education. At any rate, get with MF and have him list his training that he went through the last 2 years since he has been an AGC. Then, I want you to ask yourself if those "participation certificates' stack up to a corporate attorney?

The problem we have is contained in alot of these post, i.e., you and ND supporters seem to discount professionals like corporate attorneys then, it seems to me, that you are trying to make a case that a couple weeks of AGC school is all that's needed to make MF look like Perry Mason, and Delaney look like Robert Shapiro. Corporate attorney > AGC. We simply have to even up the playing field like other unions do and insource our legal staff that we have outsourced at a high price for so long.

Get with MF and I want you to list his training for AGC. IMO, the district does a terrible job of equipping AGC's. I will be sending our AGC's to educational labor seminars that aren't solely at Placid Harbor. I will be attending myself to advanced labor seminars in university settings [many of these are two week intensive programs at top universities with the best professors in the world]. The INTL utilizes those great universities for their people, and so should we. Our members deserve a professional upgrade and they should expect a continual education for its President and AGC's at higher learning places that are a bit more competitive than Placid Harbor.

And, in any case, no matter what education an AGC is getting, it is not going to be equal to a law degree. AGC + Attorney > AGC + Cell phone, and it doesn't matter if it is verizon, lol.

Occupyiam141 website. Click Here

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok Look!,....was it a walkout as you claim or was there no flights at the time and they decided to use this time to walk the concourse. If you really know the answer Tim, let all the readers know ! 10 mins is a fast walk in CLT. And were they holding signs when the strolled the terminal?

Each story has many parts ! I question all the parts cuz thats just me!

Explain the " No Strike No Picket " clause to the readers...........Just so they don't think that you can never go on strike or walk a picket line!

Thing need to be explained not just thrown out there for interpretation!!!!

I have yet to see any HA / UA / or CO comments on this board regarding how they got screwed !

Mike, a 10 minute walk could fine a union if there was a contract that prohibited it. A No strike no picket clause prevents a union from orchestrating most self helps. It also locks the union in until a 30 day cooling off which could take years. Without a contract, the work group can walk off the job, sitdown, slowdown, etc. Nothing prevents them from walking off unless they have a signed contract. That's why a company wants and needs a no strike clause. Otherwise, why did Southwest bother trying to get a no strike clause from Delaney? I mean, if it didn't mean anything then why the fuss?

I'm not sure if there were planes at the gate in the article I posted. An interesting case was a case in bankruptcy a few years ago. I believe it was AFA but I can't be sure. A Judge passed an order saying that the union couldn't strike if he imposed a contract. In that scenerio, that is the only exception, ever that I'm aware of, when a union hasn't consented to a contract and was forced to stand down. I was shocked that a Judge could impose a contract on workers in this country without the workers having self helps. At any rate, that isn't the case for a freshly organized group.

Occupy 141 website Click Here

Onward!

 

[mike33]

I'm not sure if there were planes at the gate in the article I posted. .

Occupy 141 website Click Here

Onward!

Thats my point! There probably wasn't but i don't know and neither do you! Its a bad example, of a point to be made, is all I'm saying. It leads those that listen, but don't think, to be lead astray.

And i have researched this forum for animosity re the contracts for HA and have found non. Maybe they are on a different website. I'll research further a since I'm a born and raise son of the islands

 

[700UW]

You want to run the DL and you dont even realize that CBAs under the RLA dont expire, they become amendable.

And like I said a no strike/no lockout clause is only in effect until the 30 day cooling off period ends.

Why are you posting misinformation Tim?

Wildcat strikes are illegal under the RLA.

And the IAM has held informational picketing before at US, its not against any CBA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thats my point! There probably wasn't but i don't know and neither do you! Its a bad example, of a point to be made, is all I'm saying. It leads those that listen, but don't think, to be lead astray.

And i have researched this forum for animosity re the contracts for HA and have found non. Maybe they are on a different website. I'll research further a since I'm a born and raise son of the islands

Mike,
It doesn't matter if there were planes at the gate or not. They are free to wildcat, sitdown, slowdown, etc. They were not under a no strike clause when they did that. That's why the company needs a no work stoppage type clause.

As far as the Hawaiian contract, simply go to iam141.org and click the Hawaiian tab. There you will find the updates where the union position was 'equal work = equal pay' and you will also find the contract that threw part timers under the bus and pays them half of full time, and ushers in the anti union ready reserve that Delta airlines employs.

www.occupyiam141.com

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

You want to run the DL and you dont even realize that CBAs under the RLA dont expire, they become amendable.

And like I said a no strike/no lockout clause is only in effect until the 30 day cooling off period ends.

Why are you posting misinformation Tim?

Wildcat strikes are illegal under the RLA.

And the IAM has held informational picketing before at US, its not against any CBA.

700. Please stop quote mining me. I would appreciate if you cited or referenced what I said.

At any rate, who is talking anything about a CBA? The case I referenced was a group of individuals who do not have a contract. And, there is nothing stopping any group from walking off of the job IF there is no contract. In trying to prevent that, management will always try to sign a no strike clause when a new group gets organized. Getting back to SayWhat's question, I simply think that Delaney gave up the no strike clause for next to nothing and shouldn't have collared a work group without gain.

Onward!

 

[pjirish317]

And, in any case, no matter what education an AGC is getting, it is not going to be equal to a law degree. AGC + Attorney > AGC + Cell phone, and it doesn't matter if it is verizon, lol.

Occupyiam141 website. Click Here

Onward!

Tim,

Are you saying that you will have an attorney present at EVERY SINGLE step three hearing with your AGC's? Because that is the implication you are giving here. And why are you answering for the people on your ticket. I mean the only 2 that have answered are the other TN and D Paz. Pretty pathetic really. Why do you have to answer for the others I wonder? Are you afraid that they will not be able to answer the way you want them to? If you really want us to believe in your "tranparency" have your other US canidates come on here and engage us. Talk about their qualifications and let us judge them as them, not you answering for them. Is that too much to ask?

 

[niblet]

OK, i don't get this

I went to the UA Aviations board and not one thing about the elections. Why is that? I thought the UA people were fed up? Not even a post from the other 2 slates?

Some how i think that the TN slate is just trying to split the vote ! Am i stupid and just not see this?

Just Saying!

Mike, I've been on this forum for several years. I've rarely posted until this year. What I have noticed over the years and you can see it today. Look at stats. Right under airlines look at stats and posts. The numbers. USAirways has more than any other airline. Compare to UA or AA or DL. Not even close. Now they surely have more employees. That being said this forum is not the only source for airline employees to vent. As for a split vote. Not sure I know what you mean. Who is splitting?

 

[roabilly]

Tim,

Are you saying that you will have an attorney present at EVERY SINGLE step three hearing with your AGC's? Because that is the implication you are giving here. And why are you answering for the people on your ticket. I mean the only 2 that have answered are the other TN and D Paz. Pretty pathetic really. Why do you have to answer for the others I wonder? Are you afraid that they will not be able to answer the way you want them to? If you really want us to believe in your "tranparency" have your other US canidates come on here and engage us. Talk about their qualifications and let us judge them as them, not you answering for them. Is that too much to ask?

PJ…

Do you remember how long it took for the newly elected N/D AGC’s to be educated at Winpisinger? I’m certain it was at least a few weeks… for some reason… Tim wants ME to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that AGC’s receive special training.

Ironic isn’t it… I’m not running for Delaney’s position… or any position for that matter… and I have to fill in the blanks for Tim. Further, Tim answers every question with a question… its called attention diversion!

This type of ambiguity really looks god on the resume of someone running for President of the 141 doesn't it?

 

[Dog Wonder]

700. Please stop quote mining me.

You want everything you say repeated?

It is boring the first time.

Carry on.

 

[saywhat]

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You are misinformed SayWhat.

Why do you presume you need a cooling off or a PEB? I think the thing you are missing is that if you don't have a contract then you are free to sitdown, walkout, slowdown, etc. The reason why UA, US, or any other airline contract has to wait till a 30 day cooling off is because of their contract. And that's exactly why Southwest management wanted to get a no strike no picket clause immediately. Compare that with Piedmont airlines regional airline. Remember, the Piedmont agents organized 6 months before Airtran. Because they didn't have a no strike no picket agreement, they were free to stage walkouts. Below is a cut and paste from one of their updates.

Charlotte Agents Stage Silent Walk
Over 40 CLT agents staged a silent walk in E Concourse on Friday afternoon September 14.

The agents marched from Gate 1 to Gate 18 to Gate 35. The walk lasted 10 minutes.

Piedmont management was upset. They brought it up at negotiations on Monday and told us that USAirways wanted to know what the heck was going on. We said that it would be in everybody's interest (the workers and management) to get these negotiations resolved as soon as possible.


A union has leverage in negotiations, if it doesn't have any no strike no picket clause. That's why Southwest management wanted to snatch it. Hopefully, since we just organized the Continental customer service group, the ND won't give away a no strike no picket clause without getting something substantial. I'm not saying that one will be able to get an exhaustive contract by withholding a no strike clause but certainly more than just a .30 cent pay raise.

Occupyiam141 website....Click Here

Onward!
[/quote]

Tim,

You are the misinformed one. Look into the RLA before you start spewing your rant. I stick by my previous post regarding when you can strike. You want to lead the 141? Get real.

 

[roabilly]

Tim…

You have never been through AGC training have you? Were you present when the N/D team was trained for their positions? Maybe the IAM informer can answer for you!

Entering “Red herrings” into your response... will only substantiate my case for attention diversion… so just answer with simple yes or no responses…

May I suggest that anyone not familiar with the term "Red herring" to read this definition on Wikipedia... Clink Here ...

 

[roabilly]

OK…

Since WE are the ones answering questions… I want every reader here to familiarize themselves with the Railway Labor Act (RLA) by going to the link below. Pay special attention to the parts regarding labor disputes...

RLA Overview

This is not the Wild West where everything is settled in the street at high noon!