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[IAM Informer]

Its not about hate Tim. Its about more than you period. ND has not been given the chance to fully fulfill its Negotiating duty to us. Replacement is not an option at this point! anyone who has on their TKT non qualified people is not telling me that they have secured a legitimate team.

This is why we need the players in place that we have. A change is disruptive! Period!

"So now, with those 50,000 plus employees by our side, we are focused on the full unsecured creditors committee," Parker said.

"And while we're not going to comment on that process or any discussions that may or may not be taking place, we are eager to demonstrate to the creditors of AMR that our plan would result in higher returns than the AMR standalone strategy would," he said. "And we're highly confident the value created by our two companies is very large relative to the value of a standalone AMR."


Sign The Alleg / Mohawk LOA Already !

mike,
you say ND hasn't had the chance to negotiate yet . Are you kidding they did NOTHING to keep the company in line with following the contract on outsourcing
and when the company flat out violated the contract the ND did do something they back down to delaney who made a deal with the company to screw the 5 citys
and cancel the arbitration. then the company announces more cutbacks and doesn't even inform the leadership about it. that shows how much respect they
have for Delaney . which is zero. in the last six months under Delaneys negotiating rein we have lost over 400 jobs. Sorry but his time is up.
I'm sure if your small city or PJ's RDU was chopped without notice your feelings would be a little different

 

[roabilly]

mike,
you say ND hasn't had the chance to negotiate yet . Are you kidding they did NOTHING to keep the company in line with following the contract on outsourcing
and when the company flat out violated the contract the ND did do something they back down to delaney who made a deal with the company to screw the 5 citys
and cancel the arbitration. then the company announces more cutbacks and doesn't even inform the leadership about it. that shows how much respect they
have for Delaney . which is zero. in the last six months under Delaneys negotiating rein we have lost over 400 jobs. Sorry but his time is up.
I'm sure if your small city or PJ's RDU was chopped without notice your feelings would be a little different

Tim... why not just post as Tim?

 

[IAM Informer]

Roa,
Tim hasn't turned the membership on Delaney . Delaney has turned the membership on his actions. You can not give us 3 valid reason's to keep
him around because of what he has done good for US . because he hasn't he keeps giving in to management at every turn. If what happened on US
property the last 6mths had happened at UA all hell would have broken loose . But no at US his answer is "we will make sure US management adheres
to the contract" Really when does he plan on doing that after DP has farmed out all the small cities. He had his chance to prove to us that we were
worth fighting for and he stood down. Plain and simple. Give him another 4 years of which he will have retired half way through his term and there
wont be any jobs left to fight for.

Roa you seem to be getting paranoid there isn't a Tim Nelson hiding behind every bush. Just because I speak the truth against Delaney
doesn't mean I'm Tim Nelson but hey I appreciate the compliment

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

I unserstand that some of your guys on the occupy ticket could not follow simple instructions to accept their nomination. Is this true? It couldn't be. Not Tim Nelson's hand picked bunch of winners. Not on your watch. OMG, what ever are we to do now. (Sarcaism intended here) These are the people that Tim wanted us to vote for to represent us, both UA/CO, and US. It really does not inspire confidence now does it Tim. People who you hand picked, endorsed, and said that they were better suited to represent us over the ND guys. Well your guys either have a reading comprehension problem, or just could not follow simple instructions as to accept their nomination. Kind of tells alot about the people running on your entire ticket now doesn't it. Everybody, wake up and open your eyes. occupy is not the way to go. They couldn't follow simple instructions to accept their nomination for pete's sake.

How can it Be??

The occupy 141 ticket followed the rules, as set forth by the DOL, fine. Are a few New Direction cry babies whining? Yes. But no big deal.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

It’s not about Robilly vs. Tim,

It’s about the Membership vs. a Hard Decision! I have presented my case for retaining the existing Leadership for at least another 4 years. I see no need to go back over my reasons in detail, as they have been covered more than thoroughly for weeks.

Tim, I think the problem you have in digesting all of this is simple… you view everything from a political perspective. If anyone disagrees with your agenda, or challenges your ideology, you automatically take it personal, and think it is for political reasons. Perhaps this is part of your psychological makeup, many leaders throughout history have demonstrated similar idiosyncrasies. I’m not necessarily saying this is a bad thing… as many went on to become world leaders.

I don’t dislike or hate you; I just won’t support you in this particular campaign. Who knows… in 4 years things may change, circumstances may be different. But for now… that’s my position… and it is also the position of many members as well. I don’t view this as a political decision, I view at as an educated, strategic decision based on known facts, reality, and circumstances... it’s really that simple!

Why not support our Membership in this endeavor, and set your sights on a future run for office? Don’t you think that would make the most sense in light of all that has transpired over the last week? If it is really about US… and not YOU… you would do this instead of attempting to paint Delaney as crooked and inept. But, instead you insist on turning the Membership against the Leadership at this critical time in our career history!

PJ has made it clear… mike33 has made it clear… as has saywhat… and the list grows daily...

Huh?

Roabily, the US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me unanimously and I owe it to them to commence the job of finally giving them the type of representation that they deserve. The merger heightens my resolve to make sure Delaney doesn't succeed since his actions at the previous merger would mean that the US AIRWAYS members would be stuck in contract talks for probably another 7-10 years with no end in sight. He simply has no understanding of where the power is at, his leverage, etc. It makes absolutley no sense at all to keep the new direction when comparing their track record with mergers.

Yes, you made it clear, Mike, and PJ but the unaimous endorsements from the US AIRWAYS hubs made it clear. It's already been a win for me when those that know me best at US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me. Feels great.
And I owe them the best. Onward!

www.occupyiam141.com

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim... why not just post as Tim?

Roabilly,

I am. I am not IAM Informer. At any rate, why don't you post under your name?

Onward!

 

[Uneed2no]

PJ,

I don't hate anyone. And it isn't just me. CLT, PHL, and PHX all denied Delaney his nomination. PJ, just because myself and the US AIRWAYS hubs have decided not to continue endorsing Delaney and the New Direction doesn't mean we are evil. The New Direction proved itself to be incapable and no candidate is entitled to my vote or the vote of anyone just because myself and others supported a particular candidate 4 years ago.

And it makes no sense to continue with a President who decided paying part timers half of full time and having Hawaiian members pay for their parking; and throwing his own UA/CO members under the bus by supporting management into transition talks. PJ, how about instead of ragging on me, how about defending the actions of Delaney at Hawaiian and how he screwed up the merger talks at UA. Try producing an argument about why Delaney's actions are a compelling reason to vote for him instead of spewing your hate about how I'm a jackoff.

BTW, Delaney gave me the Certification of Appreciation for my outstanding service and commitment to District 141 in 2009 at the Local Chairman's conference. In 2010, I reinvented organizing and changed the IAM into a union that lost 80,000 members and about 10 elections in a row, into winners. And, when I announced that I could no longer support Delaney, him, you, and the ND supporters promptly announced me as an ####, hater, etc.

When I announced my presidency, Roabily took my word for things, as he said in a post, and he liked my ideas....until he obviously got a phone call. Then I went from someone who he could take my word for, to a traveling salesman who is a BS er. Amazing how politics work isn't it? Go from Solid and award winner, to a BS prick after an announcement. But, hey, that comes with campaigning and I understand.

Nonetheless, when I was Directing the Organizing department, I did exactly what I said I was going to do and I built this membership. That is not division my friend. And running for office is not division either. It's called Democracy and that has an ugly face but it is worth it!

Onward!

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim
Really Tim?? Really?? Hey you say your here for the membership, but I love how you don't lie to people, you just don't tell them the whole truth, and you think that's ok. But yet you say your here for the membership. Wow!! In your post above you say the hubs for US airways decided not to support Delaney and the ND ticket anymore. Why don't you be honest ( since your here for the members) and tell them the whole truth? While you may have won nomination in the hubs, why don't you tell the people just how many ND guys also won nomination here in Phl and Clt. If you tell the members the WHOLE TRUTH, they will find out the hubs nominated the majority of the ND ticket in phl and clt. Come on Tim, your proving your weakness before you even get to run. You are your own worst enemy. The only people that support you, either do t know you, or the o es that do, are so hungry for a position at the district they would sale their mother!!! Let's see is you post who all really won nominations in PHL and CLT. My guess is you wont. This should tell you something people!!! Wake up!!

 

[mike33]

Yes, you made it clear, Mike, and PJ but the unaimous endorsements from the US AIRWAYS hubs made it clear. It's already been a win for me when those that know me best at US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me. Feels great.
And I owe them the best. Onward!

www.occupyiam141.com

First let me congratulate you about feeling good! I would hope anyone running for office would feel good about their accomplishments. Especially when one is presented a ' Certificate " from his apponant!
You and informer know where my heads at...... I hear everything you are saying but don't agree with all of it. Some but not all. There is a lot that goes with taking on the responsibility of 7000 members of USAIR. I couldn't begin to realize what that might feel like. I'm not making excuses for anyone but i got onboard with you 4 yrs ago on the assumption that you knew more than i did about who you endorsed!
Yes you. I never knew who RD was till you told us that RC had sent him to the deep south to keep him out of the way.
Now he's the bad guy. OK ! If you indeed feel that way, I DONT.
Ur a smart guy, but like i said......wrong time......with whats going on right now. I truely believe that the 10-12 or however many negotiators there are have got it under control! You have the HUBS ? Good for you. Proof will be in the pudding but NEW DIRECTION has my vote of confidence.

All i can do is give my opinion when people ask me what i think. From the sound of it you don't need my vote ur doing fine. 4 yrs from now though you may get it.


"Divide the fire and you will soon put it out".
Greek Proverb



The End

 

[ograc]

The hubs have always thrown the outstations under the bus, and will continue to do so.....

And I might add they have and will continue to blame their union leadership for their actions...
ograc
http://lfp12.com

 

[wings396]

The membership can only vote on what the leadership delivers to them.....
Dont bring back a t/a with outsourcing language, and perhaps it can be avoided....

 

[pjirish317]

PJ,
make sure you know all the facts before you ASS u ME anything.. Once again Atkinson was caught playing games with possible candidates that dare run against the NO direction
When you have a ST that Blatantly goes against the DOL's instructions this kind of stuff happens. We will see the repercussions from the DOL when they get this worked out

OK. Whatever you say "informer". Once again it's the evil ND that messed up. It couldn't be that those running screwed up? No, that would be impossible. Not Tim Nelson's guys. Wasn't them. Somebody else did it. Get a grip, and stop blaming someone else for those people that did not follow simple instructions.

 

[pjirish317]

Huh?

Roabily, the US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me unanimously and I owe it to them to commence the job of finally giving them the type of representation that they deserve. The merger heightens my resolve to make sure Delaney doesn't succeed since his actions at the previous merger would mean that the US AIRWAYS members would be stuck in contract talks for probably another 7-10 years with no end in sight. He simply has no understanding of where the power is at, his leverage, etc. It makes absolutley no sense at all to keep the new direction when comparing their track record with mergers.

Yes, you made it clear, Mike, and PJ but the unaimous endorsements from the US AIRWAYS hubs made it clear. It's already been a win for me when those that know me best at US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me. Feels great.
And I owe them the best. Onward!

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim,

From somebody that proclaims to be a "team player", there sure aint mention of your "team" in this post. What I do see though, seems to be alot of self proclimations of how great "you" are. Alot of I's, me's, and my's, but not one us, or we. Why is that exactly? Not your "team" but you. BTW, did the hubs endorse the entire occupy ticket?

 

[nascarjoe]

Tim,

I unserstand that some of your guys on the occupy ticket could not follow simple instructions to accept their nomination. Is this true? It couldn't be. Not Tim Nelson's hand picked bunch of winners. Not on your watch. OMG, what ever are we to do now. (Sarcaism intended here) These are the people that Tim wanted us to vote for to represent us, both UA/CO, and US. It really does not inspire confidence now does it Tim. People who you hand picked, endorsed, and said that they were better suited to represent us over the ND guys. Well your guys either have a reading comprehension problem, or just could not follow simple instructions as to accept their nomination. Kind of tells alot about the people running on your entire ticket now doesn't it. Everybody, wake up and open your eyes. occupy is not the way to go. They couldn't follow simple instructions to accept their nomination for pete's sake.

Give occupy a break! Acceptance letters are work for their attorneys, which they don't have yet...............LOL!!!!!!

 

[Dog Wonder]

Huh?

the US AIRWAYS hubs endorsed me unanimously.

the unaimous endorsements from the US AIRWAYS hubs

Every person in every USAirways hub endorsed you?

That is what unanimous means.

Carry on.

 

[roabilly]

Tim,

From somebody that proclaims to be a "team player", there sure aint mention of your "team" in this post. What I do see though, seems to be alot of self proclimations of how great "you" are. Alot of I's, me's, and my's, but not one us, or we. Why is that exactly? Not your "team" but you. BTW, did the hubs endorse the entire occupy ticket?

PJ...

Narcissism and megalomania are hard to suppress… I suppose everyone else on his ticket is just incidental. Niblet…how does that make you feel? Do you honestly think that anything "you" accomplish under his ticket will be accredited to you, or your team?