Fleet Service apathy

[CMH_GSE]

On the surface a buyout sounds like a good idea, but then you need to examine your options very closely. If you are very close to retiring anyway, it's probably not a bad deal to mull over. If you are only in the 55-60 range, it's only going to be worth thinking about if you have other means for medical coverage. If you don't, chances are you will end up working elsewhere for medical, or paying thru the nose to get your own. Leaving one job for another at this point in your life may not be worth it. It's doubtful that you will end up working somewhere that enables you to trade shifts etc, so you will be stuck somewhere on a PM shift 5 days a week....

The early out leaves the retiree medical coverage in place that we at AA prefunded for and AA wants to do away with.

It also gives a lump sum payout for all vacation and sick days that are unused.

If this was granted, thousands will retire on the AA side.

 

[mike33]

PJ,

BTW, Delaney gave me the Certification of Appreciation for my outstanding service and commitment to District 141 in 2009 at the Local Chairman's conference. In 2010, I reinvented organizing and changed the IAM into a union that lost 80,000 members and about 10 elections in a row, into winners. And, when I announced that I could no longer support Delaney, him, you, and the ND supporters promptly announced me as an ####, hater, etc.

Its not about hate Tim. Its about more than you period. ND has not been given the chance to fully fulfill its Negotiating duty to us. Replacement is not an option at this point! anyone who has on their TKT non qualified people is not telling me that they have secured a legitimate team.

This is why we need the players in place that we have. A change is disruptive! Period!

"So now, with those 50,000 plus employees by our side, we are focused on the full unsecured creditors committee," Parker said.

"And while we're not going to comment on that process or any discussions that may or may not be taking place, we are eager to demonstrate to the creditors of AMR that our plan would result in higher returns than the AMR standalone strategy would," he said. "And we're highly confident the value created by our two companies is very large relative to the value of a standalone AMR."


Sign The Alleg / Mohawk LOA Already !

 

[Tim Nelson]

Its not about hate Tim. Its about more than you period. ND has not been given the chance to fully fulfill its Negotiating duty to us. Replacement is not an option at this point! anyone who has on their TKT non qualified people is not telling me that they have secured a legitimate team.

This is why we need the players in place that we have. A change is disruptive! Period!

"So now, with those 50,000 plus employees by our side, we are focused on the full unsecured creditors committee," Parker said.

"And while we're not going to comment on that process or any discussions that may or may not be taking place, we are eager to demonstrate to the creditors of AMR that our plan would result in higher returns than the AMR standalone strategy would," he said. "And we're highly confident the value created by our two companies is very large relative to the value of a standalone AMR."


Sign The Alleg / Mohawk LOA Already !

Mike,
I totally disagree since the New Direction has given us excellent proof at how they are fully incapable at Hawaiian, and United and it makes no sense to keep them when US AIRWAYS members have a chance and some foresight to make a change after seeing how they screwed up the UA/CO merger by dumping members into transitions without any consideration.

The path with Delaney and the New Direction, based on their actions, is negotiate for 3 years and get nothing then dump folks in transition talks for another 5-7 years without a raise. You could conceivably go 10 more years without getting a raise, given Delaney's track record at the United merger. I would take the position of getting considerations for our members BEFORE supporting management in transition talks. Compare what the AFA and IBT did to what Delaney did at UA.

Onward!

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

So, here's the latest from the IAM negotiating Team!!!!

US AIRWAYS UPDATE-------RICH DELANEY, APRIL 25, 2012

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html


And The Update As of today 25th April from the TWU at AA!!!!

AMR Bankruptcy Update for April 25, 2012 ----Published 25 Apr, 2012----TWU MEMBERS TO SOON VOTE ON AA FINAL OFFERS

http://www.twu.org/blog/tabid/84/vw/1/itemid/345/default.aspx

 

[Dog Wonder]

I guess being a union man doesn't work for Tim.

Back to being a Tim man.

Carry on.

 

[ograc]

How many stations on the US Fleet Service side are represented by the IAM

Based on what is on the IAM DL 141 website I'm counting 37 IAM represented US Fleet Service stations. AA final offer proposing 15 represented stations. DP proposal maybe a few more than 15 based on speculation and hearsay. IMO... based on these numbers, I see many stations and members losing representation on both sides (AA & US). IMO... this would contribute to the "synergies" of either offer in the long run. Of course, until the details of each offer are released, I will not rush to judgement.
ograc

 

[pjirish317]

PJ,

I don't hate anyone. And it isn't just me. CLT, PHL, and PHX all denied Delaney his nomination. PJ, just because myself and the US AIRWAYS hubs have decided not to continue endorsing Delaney and the New Direction doesn't mean we are evil. The New Direction proved itself to be incapable and no candidate is entitled to my vote or the vote of anyone just because myself and others supported a particular candidate 4 years ago.

And it makes no sense to continue with a President who decided paying part timers half of full time and having Hawaiian members pay for their parking; and throwing his own UA/CO members under the bus by supporting management into transition talks. PJ, how about instead of ragging on me, how about defending the actions of Delaney at Hawaiian and how he screwed up the merger talks at UA. Try producing an argument about why Delaney's actions are a compelling reason to vote for him instead of spewing your hate about how I'm a jackoff.

BTW, Delaney gave me the Certification of Appreciation for my outstanding service and commitment to District 141 in 2009 at the Local Chairman's conference. In 2010, I reinvented organizing and changed the IAM into a union that lost 80,000 members and about 10 elections in a row, into winners. And, when I announced that I could no longer support Delaney, him, you, and the ND supporters promptly announced me as an ####, hater, etc.

When I announced my presidency, Roabily took my word for things, as he said in a post, and he liked my ideas....until he obviously got a phone call. Then I went from someone who he could take my word for, to a traveling salesman who is a BS er. Amazing how politics work isn't it? Go from Solid and award winner, to a BS prick after an announcement. But, hey, that comes with campaigning and I understand.

Nonetheless, when I was Directing the Organizing department, I did exactly what I said I was going to do and I built this membership. That is not division my friend. And running for office is not division either. It's called Democracy and that has an ugly face but it is worth it!

Onward!

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim,

Lets address these one at a time shall we. The hubs. You got a select few whipped into a frenzy, fear-mongering the ND, that they fell for your tricks and endorsed you. We will see just how the hubs feel about the occupy ticket come June. Nuff said about that issue. What exactly is the ENTIRE ND incapable of, and according to who? You? Nuff dais there also.

You continue to bring up Hawaiian. Didn't the membership vote to accept the terms negotiated. Was not the agreement accepted by at least a 75% to 25% difference? So unless you are saying that only Full Time at Hawaiian voted, you are speaking for people where you shouldn't be, AGAIN. And screwed up at UA/CO according to who exactly? You? Were you privy to All the conversations that took place between the NC at UA/CO and RD? Unless you were, you are just talking out of your arse. Didn't you start spewing the hate against the ND? And when it comes back at you, you cry foul. Shame on you. Oh and BTW, you are a jack-off!

Kudo's on your certificate. You earned it. You did a great job organizing, and I will agree that you did the right thing for the AirTran folks. They would have been hosed otherwise. And my "hatred" started when you were calling good union people inneffectual. People that once held you in high esteem. People that are working their asses off for the membership, and everything you say about them is negative. But again, when the negativity turns your way, we are wrong, misled, misguided, blinded by loyalty, ect., ect., ect.

Again, how do you know that roabilly "got a phone call"? Did he tell you? Or could it be that he saw you for what you really are, and changed his mind of his own accord. But that is impossible right. No one can make up their own mind now can they? You continually speak for people where you shouldn't and hopefuly the membership will see that come June.

You built the membership how? Airtran inside went to IAM DL142, right? Airtran outside went TWU. Were you a part of the UA/CO PCE drive? What am I missing. You were a great organizer, but that's all you areTim, an organizer. Who trys to win over the membership with fear-mongering, and hateful campaigning.

 

[john john]

Based on what is on the IAM DL 141 website I'm counting 37 IAM represented US Fleet Service stations. AA final offer proposing 15 represented stations. DP proposal maybe a few more than 15 based on speculation and hearsay. IMO... based on these numbers, I see many stations and members losing representation on both sides (AA & US). IMO... this would contribute to the "synergies" of either offer in the long run. Of course, until the details of each offer are released, I will not rush to judgement.
ograc

I think the express/eagle pay benefits and work rules will come into play on both sides. The company’s are ready to whipsaw express against mainline
American is heavily eagle employed and they work a lot of mainline at American and US mainline fleet service is heavily outsourced as well as express handled

 

[ograc]

I think the express/eagle pay benefits and work rules will come into play on both sides. The company’s are ready to whipsaw express against mainline

Ageed. IMO... This will be the choice former members (TWU & IAM) will be left with in outline stations. And there will be many. Work for a subsidary / vendor at substantially less wages, with no medical benefits, different work rules and no representation, or accept seperation from the newly merged company. The way I see it this proposal by DP pits the members in the hub cities against their fellow members in the outline stations. We, on the US side, have seen this strategy played before by DP. Unfortunately, in the long run it worked in favor of the company and has resulted in continous job and membership loss for the IAM in outline stations. Hopefully, this will be taken in to consideration, by the TWU and the members they represent. IMO... given the history at US, DP's proposal, although veiled with the impression to the contrary, has nothing to do with the best interests of labor groups on either property. Upper management and the shareholders will be the beneficiaries at the expense of the labor groups on both properties.
ograc

 

[john john]

Ageed. IMO... This will be the choice former members (TWU & IAM) will be left with in outline stations. And there will be many. Work for a subsidary / vendor at substantially less wages, with no medical benefits, different work rules and no representation,

And remember with the IAM pension you can not work in the industry and get your IAM pension

 

[ograc]

And remember with the IAM pension you can not work in the industry and get your IAM pension

This is true. The position this proposal puts the members on both sides (AA and US) in outline stations is not good. That being said, both proposals (AA & DP's) IMO... are asking the members in the hub cities to disregard the adverse effects it will have on the fellow members in outline stations. Additionally, the members in the hubs are being asked to disregard the loss of membership represented. IMO... the loss of membership will have an adverse affect, long term, of those who survive with their representation intact. AA & DP have their sights on long term gains. I hope the TWU, the IAM leadership and respective members are focused on the same long term consequences.
ograc

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,

I unserstand that some of your guys on the occupy ticket could not follow simple instructions to accept their nomination. Is this true? It couldn't be. Not Tim Nelson's hand picked bunch of winners. Not on your watch. OMG, what ever are we to do now. (Sarcaism intended here) These are the people that Tim wanted us to vote for to represent us, both UA/CO, and US. It really does not inspire confidence now does it Tim. People who you hand picked, endorsed, and said that they were better suited to represent us over the ND guys. Well your guys either have a reading comprehension problem, or just could not follow simple instructions as to accept their nomination. Kind of tells alot about the people running on your entire ticket now doesn't it. Everybody, wake up and open your eyes. occupy is not the way to go. They couldn't follow simple instructions to accept their nomination for pete's sake.

 

[wings396]

Ageed. IMO... This will be the choice former members (TWU & IAM) will be left with in outline stations. And there will be many. Work for a subsidary / vendor at substantially less wages, with no medical benefits, different work rules and no representation, or accept seperation from the newly merged company. The way I see it this proposal by DP pits the members in the hub cities against their fellow members in the outline stations. We, on the US side, have seen this strategy played before by DP. Unfortunately, in the long run it worked in favor of the company and has resulted in continous job and membership loss for the IAM in outline stations. Hopefully, this will be taken in to consideration, by the TWU and the members they represent. IMO... given the history at US, DP's proposal, although veiled with the impression to the contrary, has nothing to do with the best interests of labor groups on either property. Upper management and the shareholders will be the beneficiaries at the expense of the labor groups on both properties.
ograc

The hubs have always thrown the outstations under the bus, and will continue to do so.....

 

[IAM Informer]

Tim,

I unserstand that some of your guys on the occupy ticket could not follow simple instructions to accept their nomination. Is this true? It couldn't be. Not Tim Nelson's hand picked bunch of winners. Not on your watch. OMG, what ever are we to do now. (Sarcaism intended here) These are the people that Tim wanted us to vote for to represent us, both UA/CO, and US. It really does not inspire confidence now does it Tim. People who you hand picked, endorsed, and said that they were better suited to represent us over the ND guys. Well your guys either have a reading comprehension problem, or just could not follow simple instructions as to accept their nomination. Kind of tells alot about the people running on your entire ticket now doesn't it. Everybody, wake up and open your eyes. occupy is not the way to go. They couldn't follow simple instructions to accept their nomination for pete's sake.

PJ,
make sure you know all the facts before you ASS u ME anything.. Once again Atkinson was caught playing games with possible candidates that dare run against the NO direction
When you have a ST that Blatantly goes against the DOL's instructions this kind of stuff happens. We will see the repercussions from the DOL when they get this worked out

 

[roabilly]

It’s not about Robilly vs. Tim,

It’s about the Membership vs. a Hard Decision! I have presented my case for retaining the existing Leadership for at least another 4 years. I see no need to go back over my reasons in detail, as they have been covered more than thoroughly for weeks.

Tim, I think the problem you have in digesting all of this is simple… you view everything from a political perspective. If anyone disagrees with your agenda, or challenges your ideology, you automatically take it personal, and think it is for political reasons. Perhaps this is part of your psychological makeup, many leaders throughout history have demonstrated similar idiosyncrasies. I’m not necessarily saying this is a bad thing… as many went on to become world leaders.

I don’t dislike or hate you; I just won’t support you in this particular campaign. Who knows… in 4 years things may change, circumstances may be different. But for now… that’s my position… and it is also the position of many members as well. I don’t view this as a political decision, I view at as an educated, strategic decision based on known facts, reality, and circumstances... it’s really that simple!

Why not support our Membership in this endeavor, and set your sights on a future run for office? Don’t you think that would make the most sense in light of all that has transpired over the last week? If it is really about US… and not YOU… you would do this instead of attempting to paint Delaney as crooked and inept. But, instead you insist on turning the Membership against the Leadership at this critical time in our career history!

PJ has made it clear… mike33 has made it clear… as has saywhat… and the list grows daily...