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Tim Nelson said:
These negotiations are in the first inning. With a merger coming, negotiations will be drawn out by Delaney just like he did at UA/CO merger where he's in his 3rd year of no pay increases and not even close to any contract in sight. Remember, ask those on Delaney's ticket how Delaney has handled the UA/CO negotiations. The CO/UA negotiations are very significant since it's the exact same situation of a merger and Delaney completely screwed those merger talks up. Anyone from Delaney's team who wants the US AIRWAYS members to vote for Delaney should be willing to discuss how Delaney has handled other merger talks. US AIRWAYS members can't afford someone who supports managements plan to scrap regular negotiations for transition talks.

Besides, the US AIRWAYS negotiations are only scheduled to meet 4 times from January 1- June 1. The frequency of negotiations explicitly indicates that negotiations are only in the 'first inning'. At any rate, with the pension cut being triggered with any new T/A, why would any US AIRWAYS member want a quick contract anyways? Any wage gain would have to be substantial to offset a 40% voluntary pension cut. Doesn't make any sense.

regards,
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the Delaney team would like the membership to bite on the concept that voting for a new team would have an adverse effect on negotiations. I believe, based on the lack of urgency of negotiations with US Airways, nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is there is no urgency being demonstrated by either party. Negotiations to "discuss" contract issues scheduled once every other month? An adverse effect? Really?... I'm hopeful the membership can see through these smoke and mirrors, offered by a team that has been in place for 4 years, and has produced little if anything.
Respectfully,
ograc
 
700UW said:
Because your members need to know your track record.

And let me simplfy this for you.

Third Step Process.

For the Union: AGC

For the Company Labor Relations.

Negotiations:

For the Union: AGCs, GLR and Members at Large.

For the Union: Labor Relations.

So if Labor Relations management are in Negotiations with Fleet, there wont be anyone from the company to hear third step grievances, since they are set up and scheduled by labor relations.
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They just rubber stamp them now anyways. Funny when the first question I ask is if they have a predetermined outcome. With in ten minutes they answer with the predetermined outcome. I've even been told they were not there to argue.
 
ograc said:
the Delaney team would like the membership to bite on the concept that voting for a new team would have an adverse effect on negotiations. I believe, based on the lack of urgency of negotiations with US Airways, nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is there is no urgency being demonstrated by either party. Negotiations to "discuss" contract issues scheduled once every other month? An adverse effect? Really?... I'm hopeful the membership can see through these smoke and mirrors, offered by a team that has been in place for 4 years, and has produced little if anything.
Respectfully,
ograc
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ograc,

Why wouldn't it have an adverse affect on negotiations?
What was there to produce in the last 4 years?
Are you running for an office on Tim's ticket?
 
Dog Wonder said:
How do you plan to drag the company to the table?

Carry on.
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I believe that they will throw a temper tantrum if the company does not move faster than they have been. They might even stomp their collective feet and hold their breath until they turn blue.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
niblet said:
They just rubber stamp them now anyways. Funny when the first question I ask is if they have a predetermined outcome. With in ten minutes they answer with the predetermined outcome. I've even been told they were not there to argue.
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What was your first question? I must have missed it.
 
Taking all things into account, the personal history of Tim Nelson only weighs so much in my evaluation of the Occupy ticket, and it's not a whole lot. Without having witnessed firsthand what he did or did not do and why back when is just a bunch of unintelligible drama and hearsay. I don't care if he sold the Moon to the Martians. Maybe I really really should, but I don't. Better to spend our time discussing our collective goals and plans for achieving them. These days it's natural to have strong skepticism towards fast talking folks that pitch ambitious plans. So while I might only suspiciously trust a candidate, that doesn't mean he doesn't have potential and leadership ability; different times and circumstances call for different types of leadership.

The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform made available and publicized online. Who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform printed, posted, and made easily available at work. Again, who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? How would I know? This looks to me like "engaging the membership", and they seem to be the only people doing it.

What does the incumbency have in its favor? It seems to me they have more black eyes than feathers in their caps. I challenge anyone to list the successes of the status quo leadership as the evidence for why they deserve my continued faith and support. Answers about what Tim Nelson did a long time ago in a galaxy far far away will not be accepted.

I like the candidates Occupy is running from PHX. I think its past time the leadership here were overhauled and I know many share that sentiment.
 
It wasn't that long ago. His drive to decerify the IAM came after the merger.

As for a galaxy far, far, away, PHX sure seems that way sometimes.
 
ChockJockey said:
Taking all things into account, the personal history of Tim Nelson only weighs so much in my evaluation of the Occupy ticket, and it's not a whole lot. Without having witnessed firsthand what he did or did not do and why back when is just a bunch of unintelligible drama and hearsay. I don't care if he sold the Moon to the Martians. Maybe I really really should, but I don't. Better to spend our time discussing our collective goals and plans for achieving them. These days it's natural to have strong skepticism towards fast talking folks that pitch ambitious plans. So while I might only suspiciously trust a candidate, that doesn't mean he doesn't have potential and leadership ability; different times and circumstances call for different types of leadership.

The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform made available and publicized online. Who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform printed, posted, and made easily available at work. Again, who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? How would I know? This looks to me like "engaging the membership", and they seem to be the only people doing it.

What does the incumbency have in its favor? It seems to me they have more black eyes than feathers in their caps. I challenge anyone to list the successes of the status quo leadership as the evidence for why they deserve my continued faith and support. Answers about what Tim Nelson did a long time ago in a galaxy far far away will not be accepted.

I like the candidates Occupy is running from PHX. I think its past time the leadership here were overhauled and I know many share that sentiment.
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Called some friends from PHX and asked who these guys were on the Occupy ticket from PHX and they didn't know them. They had to call me back and all they could tell me was one is from LAS and one is from PIT and neither have ever spent one day as a shop steward helping people. Good luck with supporting that kind of person. You deserve what you get in PHX.
 
Dog Wonder said:
How do you plan to drag the company to the table?

Carry on.
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I talked to some very experience union people. They all said that even if nelson wins he would have to follow a railway act in talks. they also said even if nelson had hundreds of lawyer in talks it would not be any faster! nelson is fooling a lot of people. I know he will accuse me of been a district rep. but that;s ok I suppose if he wins he will spend a lot of time hiding frm black helicopters
 
ChockJockey said:
Taking all things into account, the personal history of Tim Nelson only weighs so much in my evaluation of the Occupy ticket, and it's not a whole lot. Without having witnessed firsthand what he did or did not do and why back when is just a bunch of unintelligible drama and hearsay. I don't care if he sold the Moon to the Martians. Maybe I really really should, but I don't. Better to spend our time discussing our collective goals and plans for achieving them. These days it's natural to have strong skepticism towards fast talking folks that pitch ambitious plans. So while I might only suspiciously trust a candidate, that doesn't mean he doesn't have potential and leadership ability; different times and circumstances call for different types of leadership.

The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform made available and publicized online. Who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? The Occupy ticket is the only one I've seen its message and platform printed, posted, and made easily available at work. Again, who/what are the other tickets and what do they have to say? How would I know? This looks to me like "engaging the membership", and they seem to be the only people doing it.

What does the incumbency have in its favor? It seems to me they have more black eyes than feathers in their caps. I challenge anyone to list the successes of the status quo leadership as the evidence for why they deserve my continued faith and support. Answers about what Tim Nelson did a long time ago in a galaxy far far away will not be accepted.

I like the candidates Occupy is running from PHX. I think its past time the leadership here were overhauled and I know many share that sentiment.
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ChockJockey,

Certainly, if there was any lack of character, Delaney and the IAM wouldn't have appointed me as Director of Organizing. Delaney actually put his own IAM card in my hands. It's called trust. While on the memberships dime, I did exactly what I said I was going to do and filled a basketball arena with IAM members through representational elections. The recipe is clear, i.e., passion, energy, integrity, and a dogged determination.

regards,
 
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