Fleet Service apathy

[Tim Nelson]

It is with very sad news that Mickey Hughes, one of our AGC's has passed. I worked with Mickey Hughes and I can tell you without any hesitation that he was a strong Labor guy, great human being, good friend, and was a good representative in any grievance setting.

Please pray for his family and I look forward to seeing Mickey once again in gloryland.

God Bless his family

 

[Dog Wonder]

It is with very sad news that Mickey Hughes, one of our AGC's has passed.

Sad day.

Good dude.

 

[ograc]

Sad day.

Good dude.

It is truly a sad day. We lost a good union man and human being. I knew Mickey a long time. we attended high school together. He will be dearly missed. May God grant him eternal peace.
With respect and remorse,
ograc

 

[niblet]

It is truly a sad day. We lost a good union man and human being. I knew Mickey a long time. we attended high school together. He will be dearly missed. May God grant him eternal peace.
With respect and remorse,
ograc

From all his union brothers and sisters here in FLL. Mickey was a good man and AGC. He will be dearly missed and remembered often. God bless his family.

 

[roabilly]

Condolences to his family members... and all others who knew Mickey...

I never met him personally... but I have heard nothing but good things about him.

A true Union Brother has passed...

 

[roabilly]

Tim,

would you please list your US AGC's experience within the union?
How many have been shop stewards?
How many have GC experience?
How many have experience with step 3 hearings, other than the other TN?
please enlighten us.

PJ...

This is a MUST if Tim is serious about getting support for this occupy fiasco he has masterminded...

All I have seen thus far are 'names' thrown up as a slate... with NO qualifications to accompany them. Niblet, and the guy from UA are the only folks so far to actually present some transparency in this regard. Further, Tim claims very little time would be spent on training these individuals to just step-in, and take over. This is a complete falsehood... educating and training someone from zero all the way to AGC caliber takes time... and that's just the academics... we can't even place value on experience! Guys like MF and MB have years of experience that Tim want's to just disregard and flush down the toilet to further his own agenda.

I can't believe Tim makes reference to this complete gutting of leadership as just being necessary "pruning"... The reality is this... he wants to rip the entire tree up by the roots... fill the hole... and plant a Tim Nelson seedling in it's place!

 

[Jester]

All I have seen thus far are 'names' thrown up as a slate... with NO qualifications to accompany them.

My Dear Mr. Roabilly,

It seems as if it was only yesterday when I questioned the complete lack of qualifications of the ND08 Team. My words then appeared to have skipped right by you like pat of butter slipping across the other side of hot skillet masked under the smell of savory promises being served-up to the Membership. Now after 4 years of ND08's abject failure, you demand to see the C.V.s of the opposition? Are you worried that an opposing slate might actually do worse than the current group?

It is difficult to believe given the track record of RD's team during the past 4 years, you are still willing to break bread with the completely ineffectual leadership of this organization. Furthermore, you now attack Tim Nelson and question his motives while you were providing unwavering support just 4 short years ago.

This should not mean that I find qualifications to be unimportant, and yes, all people running should provide their background and experiences for examining, as I am consistant. Nor have I become intoxicated by the uneducated promises being made either then or now, as you seem to be under the spell of a hang over from the ND08 party from 4 years ago.

So Intervenes Jester.

 

[Tim Nelson]

PJ...

This is a MUST if Tim is serious about getting support for this occupy fiasco he has masterminded...

All I have seen thus far are 'names' thrown up as a slate... with NO qualifications to accompany them. Niblet, and the guy from UA are the only folks so far to actually present some transparency in this regard. Further, Tim claims very little time would be spent on training these individuals to just step-in, and take over. This is a complete falsehood... educating and training someone from zero all the way to AGC caliber takes time... and that's just the academics... we can't even place value on experience! Guys like MF and MB have years of experience that Tim want's to just disregard and flush down the toilet to further his own agenda.

I can't believe Tim makes reference to this complete gutting of leadership as just being necessary "pruning"... The reality is this... he wants to rip the entire tree up by the roots... fill the hole... and plant a Tim Nelson seedling in it's place!

Roabily,

I keep showing you the ND negotiations experience as witnessed at HAL and UA/CO, and Airtran. Can you please show us any experience in negotiations that is witnessed in those talks? I can't. All I can find, objectively, is a group of persons who showed participated in the 'image of negotiations' by sitting at a table, but haven't negotiated anything. Because of this, airtran is now strapped with a no strike clause that is anti union. HAL is now strapped with regular part timers paid half of full time and a 45% cap, with a brand new "ND style" ready reserve part time that tops out at $10 bucks. At UA/CO, 3 years of wasted talks just to enter transition talks and scrap the current talks. Is that what any of our members want, i.e., a group of individuals who negotiate for 2 or 3 years before a merger then toss our membership in transition talks, presuming a AMR/US merger? Well, that's exactly what you are going to get since that's exactly what Delaney has done at UA/CO and he sideswiped his AGC's to do it. Remember, the sole and exclusive authority in these talks is the President. Each AGC, [pick any name], hasn't crossed Delaney on anything in negotiations at any company.

The only one disregarding MB is Delaney. I wanted MB as an AGC. Delaney stuck him at trustee, which is a huge overqualification but will actually affect CLT negatively because now MB will have to go to SFO one week a month and review expense reports. Trustee is an admin job, not a grievance handling job. Better to put a member in at Trustee that is a sorta entry level guy. MF supported Delaney eliminating one more US AIRWAYS position, thus, when won't he support Delaney?

Again, if you take the actions of the ND over the negotiations at all other carriers, it's not hard to figure out what is going to happen at US AIRWAYS. We simply can't have that. Nobody wants to wait 5 more years for a contact. Those are the facts based on the actions of ND. Again, nobody wants to wait for 5 years for a contract and one only has to look at how the ND screwed up the UA/CO negotiations when other unions already settled on contracts PRIOR to entering transition talks as a single union entity. IAM 141 gave out IOU's at UA/CO. AFA got $40 million to enter transitions. IBT received $59 million to enter transition talks. The facts don't lie.



Onward!

 

[saywhat]

Roabily,

I keep showing you the ND negotiations experience as witnessed at HAL and UA/CO, and Airtran. Can you please show us any experience in negotiations that is witnessed in those talks? I can't. All I can find, objectively, is a group of persons who showed participated in the 'image of negotiations' by sitting at a table, but haven't negotiated anything. Because of this, airtran is now strapped with a no strike clause that is anti union. HAL is now strapped with regular part timers paid half of full time and a 45% cap, with a brand new "ND style" ready reserve part time that tops out at $10 bucks. At UA/CO, 3 years of wasted talks just to enter transition talks and scrap the current talks. Is that what any of our members want, i.e., a group of individuals who negotiate for 2 or 3 years before a merger then toss our membership in transition talks, presuming a AMR/US merger? Well, that's exactly what you are going to get since that's exactly what Delaney has done at UA/CO and he sideswiped his AGC's to do it. Remember, the sole and exclusive authority in these talks is the President. Each AGC, [pick any name], hasn't crossed Delaney on anything in negotiations at any company.

The only one disregarding MB is Delaney. I wanted MB as an AGC. Delaney stuck him at trustee, which is a huge overqualification but will actually affect CLT negatively because now MB will have to go to SFO one week a month and review expense reports. Trustee is an admin job, not a grievance handling job. Better to put a member in at Trustee that is a sorta entry level guy. MF supported Delaney eliminating one more US AIRWAYS position, thus, when won't he support Delaney?

Again, if you take the actions of the ND over the negotiations at all other carriers, it's not hard to figure out what is going to happen at US AIRWAYS. We simply can't have that. Nobody wants to wait 5 more years for a contact. Those are the facts based on the actions of ND. Again, nobody wants to wait for 5 years for a contract and one only has to look at how the ND screwed up the UA/CO negotiations when other unions already settled on contracts PRIOR to entering transition talks as a single union entity. IAM 141 gave out IOU's at UA/CO. AFA got $40 million to enter transitions. IBT received $59 million to enter transition talks. The facts don't lie.



Onward!

Do you ever just answer the questions asked of you? Regarding Airtran do they have a No strike/ No lock out clause? You do know that in the airline industry that the only way you can strike is if you are in section 6 negotiations and you ask and get assigned a mediator and get released on a 30 day cooling off period and Obama doesn't step in once the 30 days are up? UA, CO and US has a No strike/ no lock out clause too. Why am asking if you know, you know everything? Get real.

 

[700UW]

The no strike no lockout clauses only apply before the 30 day cooling off period ends. It prevents wildcat strikes and lockouts.

 

[necigrad]

I keep showing you the ND negotiations experience... The facts don't lie.

Tim, his point is that if you don't list your qualifications then you must not have any! Show us the facts about you! Man up. Don't tell us why the others are wrong for the job, tell us why you are RIGHT for the job! As it stands right now you're a cheap underhanded politician whose sole campaign is why your opponent is bad. I've got news for you Tim, that means you've got nothing to bring to the table. PROVE ME WRONG! Step up to the mature side of campaigning and explain to us why you are right. I'm not looking for who doesn't suck, or just sucks less, I'm looking for who's the best person for the position.

 

[mike33]

OK, i don't get this

I went to the UA Aviations board and not one thing about the elections. Why is that? I thought the UA people were fed up? Not even a post from the other 2 slates?

Some how i think that the TN slate is just trying to split the vote ! Am i stupid and just not see this?

Just Saying!

 

[roabilly]

OK, i don't get this

I went to the UA Aviations board and not one thing about the elections. Why is that? I thought the UA people were fed up? Not even a post from the other 2 slates?

Some how i think that the TN slate is just trying to split the vote ! Am i stupid and just not see this?

Just Saying!

"33"...

I was wondering the very same thing… but playing Freud, and figuring out Tim’s convoluted narcissistic ideology is difficult at best! This is the main reason I’m very wary of supporting him… I’ve known of Tim for over 20 years… and the song is the same now… as it was then. “Down with the IAM Leadership… they all suck”!

It’s almost as if it has been a life long obsession with Tim… to wage war on the IAM... and it really doesn’t matter who is in office!

Just as yourself, and Grad observed … when he was presented with a simple request to provide the qualifications for his ticket, he avoided the issue, and diverted the focus onto Delaney and his alleged ineptness in negotiations at other carriers. This is exactly how magicians use attention diversion to keep your focus away from an illusion. They get you to focus your attention on one hand… while the other hand performs the supposed magic... this is the oldest trick in the book!

Tim… you continue to disrespect and give this Membership NO credit for intellect whatsoever… do you really think we are malleable putty in your hands? Do you really think that you are that much smarter than everyone else?

P.S. I present the very same questions contained in the last paragraph to Jester!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do you ever just answer the questions asked of you? Regarding Airtran do they have a No strike/ No lock out clause? You do know that in the airline industry that the only way you can strike is if you are in section 6 negotiations and you ask and get assigned a mediator and get released on a 30 day cooling off period and Obama doesn't step in once the 30 days are up? UA, CO and US has a No strike/ no lock out clause too. Why am asking if you know, you know everything? Get real.

You are misinformed SayWhat.

Why do you presume you need a cooling off or a PEB? I think the thing you are missing is that if you don't have a contract then you are free to sitdown, walkout, slowdown, etc. The reason why UA, US, or any other airline contract has to wait till a 30 day cooling off is because of their contract. And that's exactly why Southwest management wanted to get a no strike no picket clause immediately. Compare that with Piedmont airlines regional airline. Remember, the Piedmont agents organized 6 months before Airtran. Because they didn't have a no strike no picket agreement, they were free to stage walkouts. Below is a cut and paste from one of their updates.

Charlotte Agents Stage Silent Walk
Over 40 CLT agents staged a silent walk in E Concourse on Friday afternoon September 14.

The agents marched from Gate 1 to Gate 18 to Gate 35. The walk lasted 10 minutes.

Piedmont management was upset. They brought it up at negotiations on Monday and told us that USAirways wanted to know what the heck was going on. We said that it would be in everybody's interest (the workers and management) to get these negotiations resolved as soon as possible.


A union has leverage in negotiations, if it doesn't have any no strike no picket clause. That's why Southwest management wanted to snatch it. Hopefully, since we just organized the Continental customer service group, the ND won't give away a no strike no picket clause without getting something substantial. I'm not saying that one will be able to get an exhaustive contract by withholding a no strike clause but certainly more than just a .30 cent pay raise.

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Onward!

 

[Jester]

Tim… you continue to disrespect and give this Membership NO credit for intellect whatsoever… do you really think we are malleable putty in your hands? Do you really think that you are that much smarter than everyone else?

P.S. I present the very same questions contained in the last paragraph to Jester!

My Dearest Mr. Roabilly,

The discussion should not be about me, as I am not running for any union position, and for that matter, I am not part of management either irrespective of the conspiracy theorists to this forum.

However, to answer your question, it is usually considered to be gauche and in poor form for one to boast about their academic and professional accomplishments, as it should have little material value to the broader issues which affect FSAs. As I have alluded to in posts a few months ago, yes, I am college educated, with a real degree from a real university... how much beyond that tidbit of information, I prefer not to say. And yes, I have worked in various Management related positions in past occupations (again, none with any airline), but I have disclosed this before.

Now to answer your question... no, I am probably not the smartest person in the room and in part because I do suffer from learning disabilities ironically enough. I am particularly good in some endeavors, and really lousy in others. However, even if I claimed to be the most intelligent person in the room, does not mean I would be the best suited or adequately experienced person for any given position, and that observation would apply to others, as well.

As a former manager, I believe the smart managers know when to delegate and to whom to delegate. This election is about the delegating of authority, in theory, to those who are best abled to represent the Membership. During the time I have been with the IAM from the merger of the two work groups, I have not been too impressed with the overall leadership. Boss Canale was playing games with back room deals and Rich Delinquency has been neglectful and ineffective in his leadership. I have said it many times over the more than 4 years to this forum... "We should expect better," and that means electing people who have DEMONSTRATED their abilities through their actions and their education.

I hope that answers your question.

So Expounds Jester.