Fleet Service apathy

[ChockJockey]

This thread makes apathy look like the most reasonable option.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,

You continue to spin to suit your needs. You continually ask us to look at your right hand so we can't see what the left hand is doing. I asked for YOUR tickets USAirways AGC's qualifications. Heck they dont even have a Bio section on your website. You and I both know that the company does not have attorneys present at the step 3 hearings do they? So why the need for YOUR AGC's to have professional assistance with the step 3 hearings? At least put a Bio section on your website of YOUR candidates so we can judge for ourselves, and not just take YOUR word for them? Do any of YOUR candidates think for themselves or do you do that for them also. And just to be clear, isn't it the grievance committee that handles the Step 2 hearings and not the AGC? You implied that the AGC's handle both step 2 and 3. That is clearly not the case and you should know better. Wouldnt an attorney make the same argument at the step 3 as they would in arbitration, just like you implied the AGC's do at step 2 and 3? Why the need for them in the step 3 hearings if the argument does not change? I am suprised that you can even see straight the way that you talk in circles. I am dizzy just reading it. Tim Nelson, the ultimate spin doctor, puppet master, and self promoter in this election. Heck I think he made hie ticket sign "committment letters" to have him speak for them, and had a gag order placed on his team so they wouldnt make him look bad.

 

[700UW]

Step I- Shop Steward
Step II- Grievance Committee
Step III- AGC
System Board/Arbitration, AGCs, Lawyers, maybe Grievance Committee

And to Court Jester.

Lawyers are involved in arbitrations and negotiations.

Dont believe what the spin master is telling you, he has never been in negotiations and never participated.

Go ask Fleet and CSA what happened to them in 92, cause of Tim's actions.

He has hated the IAM since we were organizing Fleet at US, he has tried and failed several times to start his own union or support a raid against the IAM.

Is this the kind of guy you want as the PDGC?

He doesnt even know that the title is President and Directing General Chairman and chose to ignore it when I called him out on it.

 

[niblet]

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Mr. Niblet,

I’m sure that you have witnessed some of the more questionable, and ambiguous motives related to the platform of the occupy agenda. Don’t you think it’s time to do the right thing, and withdraw yourself from this campaign?

You seem to be sincere and intelligent… you owe it to the Membership to represent their best interest. Further, it is obvious from everything we have exposed here in this forum over the last few weeks, that this idea of Tim’s will NOT represent the best interest of this Membership no matter how you spin it… or attempt to sell it.

I’m calling on you to do the right thing…

Roabilly, Are you asking me to withdraw? Why, do I threaten you or your peers? I think I would represent the membership to the best of MY ability. Sincere I am and most know that. I was NOT born to be an AGC. I was born in an Union house with most of my family in unions. I presently work as a Manager at another company wich is non-union and the owner says I run a union shop. I'm not really sure what he means by that but I take that as a compliment. I believe in what I do. Today I'm on the occupy ticket and I firmly believe the agenda is going to work and make a great change in how the IAM does business. I also believe this could make a ripple effect in the union community. I'm not on the internet all the time but I try and what I've seen here in the last few days has made me think. You'all been trashin and bashin like crazy. Tim seems to be enemy number 1. Its almost as if you guys hate to the point of WHAT! Thats where I'm out of this page for a while. As for Facebook, and United. Thats where most people are in the world. FACEBOOK. I don't like facebook myself but hey I have a page and I try not to get in to trouble. I think your a well respected agent and your views and opinions are dooley noted. As for me, I most definately am not withdrawing. If anything you boosted my confidence. I know the Occupy ticket is the right thing to do.

 

[niblet]

Tim,

Again with the 2% which has already been discussed over and over again but you continue to deceive the membership by bringing it up. Get real.

Scenario for you: If you win and in 2013 have 100 terminations systemwide and your in house lawyer tells you 2 are worth pursuing and 98 should be thrown out, what do you do?

Mike, the 2% is in the contract. We all see it there. Granted it was not in the T/A. We all see that too. Now there is verbage missing from the contract that was not negotiated in the T/A and yet was added to the contract and verbage eliminated from the contract that was not negotiated in the T/A. If there was a contractual provision eliminated would that be a slam dunk grievence? NOT. Its a loser. Now there is a 2% raise that was typoed in and try to grieve that and its a loser also. Seems the company wins either way. Doesnt matter now I cant even win a 48hr rule because somewhere they rewrote in volunteers supercede the 48 hr rule. Where does it end Mike? What happened to us? 2% is 2%. Typo or not. I want to see an AGC come to Florida and do some good. I miss Mickey but that doesnt help me. As for your scenerio, all I have to say is If my aunt had balls would she still be my aunt.

 

[blownkneesbob]

Step I- Shop Steward
Step II- Grievance Committee
Step III- AGC
System Board/Arbitration, AGCs, Lawyers, maybe Grievance Committee

And to Court Jester.

Lawyers are involved in arbitrations and negotiations.

Dont believe what the spin master is telling you, he has never been in negotiations and never participated.

Go ask Fleet and CSA what happened to them in 92, cause of Tim's actions.

He has hated the IAM since we were organizing Fleet at US, he has tried and failed several times to start his own union or support a raid against the IAM.

Is this the kind of guy you want as the PDGC?

He doesnt even know that the title is President and Directing General Chairman and chose to ignore it when I called him out on it.

Really like you have room to talk you were a lav truck driver that negotiated yourself out of a job ! then went to PM to pack smokes
only to lose that job due to more downsizing but yet still feel that your opinion on here really matters. Get a life man.

 

[blownkneesbob]

As far as Delaney every attending a union meeting in clt at last count we have had 42 meetings since he was sworn into office and has

yet to attend even 1 meeting. in 08 and 2010 he was in town shaking hands at the curb while members turned out to support him, but yet I guess he felt

it wasn't really important to show up for even those 2 meetings for which he was in town for, I guess campaigning was a little more important. sorry but for

all of Canales faults he at least showed enough respect towards the membership to show up once in awhile for a meeting.

 

[blownkneesbob]

i
Roabilly, Are you asking me to withdraw? Why, do I threaten you or your peers? I think I would represent the membership to the best of MY ability. Sincere I am and most know that. I was NOT born to be an AGC. I was born in an Union house with most of my family in unions. I presently work as a Manager at another company wich is non-union and the owner says I run a union shop. I'm not really sure what he means by that but I take that as a compliment. I believe in what I do. Today I'm on the occupy ticket and I firmly believe the agenda is going to work and make a great change in how the IAM does business. I also believe this could make a ripple effect in the union community. I'm not on the internet all the time but I try and what I've seen here in the last few days has made me think. You'all been trashin and bashin like crazy. Tim seems to be enemy number 1. Its almost as if you guys hate to the point of WHAT! Thats where I'm out of this page for a while. As for Facebook, and United. Thats where most people are in the world. FACEBOOK. I don't like facebook myself but hey I have a page and I try not to get in to trouble. I think your a well respected agent and your views and opinions are dooley noted. As for me, I most definately am not withdrawing. If anything you boosted my confidence. I know the Occupy ticket is the right thing to do.

couldn't agree with you more. This page has turned into the tim nelson hatters club. I guess if you can't point out the positives that the current regime has done then you have to try and throw daggers

at the competition. Oh well I've lost alot of respect to some of the senior posters on here I thought they were better than that. I will say one thing I really don't think it's wise to wait until after

we get screwed on new T/A to then try and fix the problem , you will be looking at another 5-6 years before we can change anything not mention trying to fix even more BS that's in our contract.

Rich was given a chance to prove his leadership and negotiating ability's unfortunately he has failed miserable. I for one can't wait for another failure

 

[700UW]

That would be stock clerk, we didnt negotiate the final offer, it was presented to the court upon our CBA abrogation, and Judge Mitchell wanted us to vote on it.

The members ratified it.

So try to stick to the issue and not attack the poster when you cant refute what one says.

Also, one's classification has nothing to to with their ability to learn, educate themselves and their knowledge.

Try again.

 

[blownkneesbob]

sorry my bad. So were you one of the ones that were "confused" on what you were voting on so you had to have a 2nd vote. give it a rest you don't

have a dog in this fight remember you don't work in the industry anymore. I find it really sad that someone with your so called intelligence and knowledge

of everything aviation that you couldn't have gotten back into the industry. Obviously you still miss the business or why would one wastes hundreds of hours

a year lurking around airline message boards. You remind me of horseshack from the 70's sitcom "welcome back Kotter" ooh ooh Mr Kotter pick me

 

[ograc]

Mike, the 2% is in the contract. We all see it there. Granted it was not in the T/A. We all see that too. Now there is verbage missing from the contract that was not negotiated in the T/A and yet was added to the contract and verbage eliminated from the contract that was not negotiated in the T/A. If there was a contractual provision eliminated would that be a slam dunk grievence? NOT. Its a loser. Now there is a 2% raise that was typoed in and try to grieve that and its a loser also. Seems the company wins either way. Doesnt matter now I cant even win a 48hr rule because somewhere they rewrote in volunteers supercede the 48 hr rule. Where does it end Mike? What happened to us? 2% is 2%. Typo or not. I want to see an AGC come to Florida and do some good. I miss Mickey but that doesnt help me. As for your scenerio, all I have to say is If my aunt had balls would she still be my aunt.

Speaking of Mickey, I just arrived home from the viewing and funeral. Candidates from all three slates, at various times, were in attendance. Some spent days and hours while another showed up in gym shorts and was quickly gone. It was about paying respects to a guy who reached out, did the best job he could and treated people with respect. Especially, those who he felt shared the common interest of the betterment of the membership. The vast numbers in attendance, from all over the system, was a confirmation that his approach was what members yearned for. Going forward, I believe those who have the members' best interest at heart, earn the respect of the membership and ultimately succeed. While those who are in it for themselves will come up short. The only transparency needed is a review of each candidate's history, involvement and qualifications. I apoligize for rambling but it's been a tough few days.
ograc

 

[Harry Callahan]

Really like you have room to talk you were a lav truck driver that negotiated yourself out of a job ! then went to PM to pack smokes
only to lose that job due to more downsizing but yet still feel that your opinion on here really matters. Get a life man.

Maybe he should still be dumping lav's :blink:

 

[cltrat]

can any supporters of the current President point out to me any good he has done for US members? or any members for that matter?

all I have seen so far from them is that Tim Nelson is this, or is't that or that he has done this or hasn't done that.

Can you present a reason to vote for Rich based on his record?

 

[roabilly]

I swear... I just reviewed the "course work" and frankly, I can see why Management kicks our collective butts in grievances in most cases. You think a one week class in labor law suddenly makes one equal to a labor attorney with 3 years of law school, the passing the state bar exam and probably more than a decade of experience? Take every labor related class, and you might have the equivalent of a couple college semesters of labor law and labor economics, if one figures that a typical semester last about 18 weeks, and couple of semesters about 36 weeks or 36 classes of training? The training might equal that of a college sophomore, and that's probably being generous... do you want your job dependant upon a marginally qualified person as your representative? I am sure that it is better than nothing, but I say it again... "We Deserve Better."

I don't need to "spin" the lack of training and qualifications for the Weedwhacker Labor Relations training center, it simply is not adequate when we are speaking about members' liveihood.

So Conveys Jester.

And this comes from a genius manipulated by a narcissist puppeteer…

 

[blue collar]

No dog in this fight...
First, I'm not sure why you guys are sh*tting on 700 as being a lav dumper. His classification doesn't have anything to do with his contract/union knowledge. Not that I'm trying to stick up for him, but you have no room to talk.
Second, niblet, you mention you're a manager. Good for you. So, how does someone in a management position help a union person? I personally would not vote for someone who was in a management position, because you don't hold the same ideas that I hold.
Third, I'm not sure if it matters who's voted in... US Airways is going to offer what they want to offer no matter who is in charge.