Fleet Service apathy

[wings396]

So they were going to be furloughed anyway? Is that what you are saying? And the IAM got them some extra moving money and pension credit?

They were going lose their jobs anyway, so being forced out early is no biggy...
That is your implication, correct?
Is the LOA a fake then?

 

[pjirish317]

They didnt get any extra. They were intitled it anyway. Furlogh benefits. They were locked out. period. Fact. I think what bothers people is that WE the IAM, the district let it happen. Feel some empathy for your union brothers. This could easily happen to you RDU or me FLL. I want to know the District IS going to do something about it.

Shouldn't that be "entitled"? But hey, soon you will have an "in-house" attorney to spell check for you huh. And they did get extra. Each employee got an extra $500 for moving expenses did they not? Including P/T, who BTW, are not entitled to any moving costs are they? I do feel bad for those affected all around the system by these furloughs, not just BUF. You know for a FACT that the district did nothing. No talks with the IAM attorneys, who probably advised on what course of action was best, nothing? Really? Where can I buy a pair of the rose colored glasses you are wearing? And BTW, no answer on BK from CLT. Does he have ANY step 3 experience? Or again, are you guys just gonna be the errand boys for the "in-house" attorney?

 

[pjirish317]

They were going lose their jobs anyway, so being forced out early is no biggy...
That is your implication, correct?
Is the LOA a fake then?

You said that "they were locked out prior to their SCHEDULED date" not me. I asked you if they were going to be furloughed anyway. And I am not implying anything. I believe it is you that is doing the implying, I am just asking questions here.

 

[wings396]

Do you not understand the IAM couldnt stop that?

All they could do was file a grievance, it would take two years or so to be resolved and the employees wouldnt still be working in BUF, they would have been eliminated and given their options.


So going along with something wrong was the best/ only option.?

So please tell the board how the IAM could have stopped the company from doing what they did?

It's not a major dispute under the RLA, it would be a minor one.

 

[wings396]

You said that "they were locked out prior to their SCHEDULED date" not me. I asked you if they were going to be furloughed anyway. And I am not implying anything. I believe it is you that is doing the implying, I am just asking questions here.

Station outsourced in Jan, agents shown the door approx early December. It's been said that the company feared the agents would sabotage the operation during the holidays. There have been a boat load of stations outsourced where our people worked right upto the last day.
Hell, some of them were even stupid enough to hang around longer to train their replacements.

 

[pjirish317]

niblet,

how come you missed the committee chair conference in SAN? Maybe you would have learned something. Perhaps nelson didn't want you to go?

 

[niblet]

Shouldn't that be "entitled"? But hey, soon you will have an "in-house" attorney to spell check for you huh. And they did get extra. Each employee got an extra $500 for moving expenses did they not? Including P/T, who BTW, are not entitled to any moving costs are they? I do feel bad for those affected all around the system by these furloughs, not just BUF. You know for a FACT that the district did nothing. No talks with the IAM attorneys, who probably advised on what course of action was best, nothing? Really? Where can I buy a pair of the rose colored glasses you are wearing? And BTW, no answer on BK from CLT. Does he have ANY step 3 experience? Or again, are you guys just gonna be the errand boys for the "in-house" attorney?

Sorry for the TYPO. 500 bucks extra. You think thats a good deal? As for BK I'll ask him. No they did do something. LOA. They could of fast tracked BUF. What happened to leverage? Why are you so supportive of ND? And try not being so NASTY about it. You seem to hate all that dont agree with you or are not with the ND team. In the end I'm on your side and each and every agent that works here. I'm not the enemy. I like your fire but spew it on MGT not your fellow agents.

 

[Jester]

Or again, are you guys just gonna be the errand boys for the "in-house" attorney?

And that's the way it should be... don't hire attorneys to throw bags, and don't hire fleet service agents to represent people in legal proceedings. Don't know if I would reduce them to being "errand boys" but rather someone who gathers the information, attempts to solve the issue before higher levels, but when it gets to a Level 3, then let the professionals handle it instead of "Joe Bagchucker" and his one week class on labor and contract law.

So Opines Jester.

 

[niblet]

niblet,

how come you missed the committee chair conference in SAN? Maybe you would have learned something. Perhaps nelson didn't want you to go?

Thats funny. Ha Ha. I've been to several committee chair conferences over the years. However my local can only afford one us and one ua per trip. Dru got this trip. So what did you learn? maybe I'll see you at the District Conf.

 

[pjirish317]

Sorry for the TYPO. 500 bucks extra. You think thats a good deal? As for BK I'll ask him. No they did do something. LOA. They could of fast tracked BUF. What happened to leverage? Why are you so supportive of ND? And try not being so NASTY about it. You seem to hate all that dont agree with you or are not with the ND team. In the end I'm on your side and each and every agent that works here. I'm not the enemy. I like your fire but spew it on MGT not your fellow agents.

I am supportive of the ND people because every AGC, even MC at one time, are doing a great job of servicing the members. Now as of late, with MC having personal issues, and Mickey, may he rest in peace, being absent, the remaining 3, plus Gil have been busy just trying to do the best job they can. Then you put 2 more AGC's in negotiations, and we are down to 1 AGC, and a VP, doing AGC work. This is the thanks they get for all that they do? You and nelson come on here and say how they are not doing anything, lazy, just in it for the money, ect. ect. ect. And you want me to play nice all of a sudden. Come on. The nastiness was not started by me. But I will gladly play the way others do. I tried to point out, IMO, some flaws with the occupy platform. Asked legitimate questions, and got the run around. I did the same with the LfP platform from ograc. Got generic answers that I could find on my own from their website. Soi please dont preach to me that we are all on the same side. Sides were chosen, I chose mine, you, yours. If you don't like the political game, why did you choose to run?

 

[niblet]

I am supportive of the ND people because every AGC, even MC at one time, are doing a great job of servicing the members. Now as of late, with MC having personal issues, and Mickey, may he rest in peace, being absent, the remaining 3, plus Gil have been busy just trying to do the best job they can. Then you put 2 more AGC's in negotiations, and we are down to 1 AGC, and a VP, doing AGC work. This is the thanks they get for all that they do? You and nelson come on here and say how they are not doing anything, lazy, just in it for the money, ect. ect. ect. And you want me to play nice all of a sudden. Come on. The nastiness was not started by me. But I will gladly play the way others do. I tried to point out, IMO, some flaws with the occupy platform. Asked legitimate questions, and got the run around. I did the same with the LfP platform from ograc. Got generic answers that I could find on my own from their website. Soi please dont preach to me that we are all on the same side. Sides were chosen, I chose mine, you, yours. If you don't like the political game, why did you choose to run?

I'm sorry you dont believe in solidarity. You have chosen your picks and so be it. It is not my intention to sway you, unless you disagree that we need more help at the district level. Thats all I'm trying to point out. I know NH and MF and I knew MH very well. I deal with Gil now.

 

[wings396]

Hey, that what voting is all about. We all have a choice, and there is no way that everyone is going to make the same one. It is best to listen/read what each of the candidates have to say, then vote accordingly. There are some names on each slate that don't have a good track record, and most of the voters know who they are. Instead of debating back and forth on these boards, we need to put some faces with names during a few station visits.

 

[ograc]

ograc,

Still generic answers. If you percieved it as bashing, thats on you. You are the one running, you should be able to explain and answer these questions. The way you answered reeks of the old canoli way of doing things. And with MW on your ticket, well, I'm just saying. If you can't handle a little web board bashing, how are you going to handle real world breakroom bashing in person? Did you not expect to be scrutinized? Bashed? Praised? Either way I got the answer that I expected, and IMO, you are not capable of being an AGC.

pjirish,
You have steered this line of questions right where i thought you would with my begining response. Your agenda is quite apparent. If you believe being experienced for AGC is being a "polished politician" who misleads the membership, with at best over inflated qualifications for office, I would not want your support or vote. In my years of being Grievance Committee Chairperson I am certainly use to breakroom bashing and being scrutinized. Through experience I have come to realize there are some, like yourself, who fail to be open minded to ideas, and qualified candidates, that represent positive progress for the membership. They have an agenda. The agenda is attempt to discredit the qualified in order to promote their personal preference. In closing, as I have stated earlier, I run on my experience, track record and integrity. If you choose to engage in negative campaigning in order to advance your selection of candidates that is your choice. I choose to not be part of it.
ograc

 

[pjirish317]

I'm sorry you dont believe in solidarity. You have chosen your picks and so be it. It is not my intention to sway you, unless you disagree that we need more help at the district level. Thats all I'm trying to point out. I know NH and MF and I knew MH very well. I deal with Gil now.

Now that's rich. I think that the whole occupy ticket belives in division instead of unison. Hence the bashing of the current AGC's, and leadership. And solidarity will never be achieved here because of rogues like tim nelson trying to divide us. That is the way I see it. But now beacuse I am critical of people and their political aspirations, I do not believe in solidarity. OK. And you want to all of a sudden play nicey nice? If you can't take the heat, well you know.

P.S.
You say that you know NH and MF very well, right? Have you appologized to them for the way you wrote about them on here? Do you think that they are doing a great job or not?

 

[pjirish317]

pjirish,
You have steered this line of questions right where i thought you would with my begining response. Your agenda is quite apparent. If you believe being experienced for AGC is being a "polished politician" who misleads the membership, with at best over inflated qualifications for office, I would not want your support or vote. In my years of being Grievance Committee Chairperson I am certainly use to breakroom bashing and being scrutinized. Through experience I have come to realize there are some, like yourself, who fail to be open minded to ideas, and qualified candidates, that represent positive progress for the membership. They have an agenda. The agenda is attempt to discredit the qualified in order to promote their personal preference. In closing, as I have stated earlier, I run on my experience, track record and integrity. If you choose to engage in negative campaigning in order to advance your selection of candidates that is your choice. I choose to not be part of it.
ograc
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Yet you can't asnwer questions either. You support an ineffectual person for AGC. Who has proven that he would rather collect a paycheck rather than help the membership. So you are saying that the current AGC's are polished politicians, that have mislead the membership? Really? And you think that you are more qualified that the current AGC's in office now? Please. Discredit? Discredit who? You? MW prehaps? IMO you, the LfP ticket, and the occupy ticket are the ones with political axes to grind, the ones with an "agenda", and are the most closed minded individuals on here.