Fleet Service Members, How will you vote?

[28yrsnojob]

What about the contracted out cities ABE,AVP.DAY,ROC,ALB,ORF,BTV,STL,SYR,CLE ETC.
SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN WAITING ALMOST 5 YRS FOR THIS UNION TO GET THEIR UNION
JOBS BACK.

 

[28yrsnojob]

does anybody care about whos left on the street

 

[freedom]

does anybody care about whos left on the street

i care , and if i read this contract right you should be able to return to work with your senority at the time you were put on ice ... let's hope this is a winner!

 

[philly rocks]

Any Union member who voted or votes yes to the T/A DOES NOT CARE ABOUT FURLOUGHED EMPLOYEES! I QUOTE FREEDOM "EMPLOYEES ON ICE", what a selfish individual!

 

[freedom]

Any Union member who voted or votes yes to the T/A DOES NOT CARE ABOUT FURLOUGHED EMPLOYEES! I QUOTE FREEDOM "EMPLOYEES ON ICE", what a selfish individual!

what nonsense are you spouting? Did you read the proposed contract on the IAM 141 webcite , did you read the section that says ..

Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.

Now that appears to me to be a plus for people on ice... at least if i read that correctly ..

"employees on ice" yes that is a word that could be subsitued for furlough ... there's nothing disrespectfull about it ..

anyways , why do you care what fleet votes philly rocks? i thought you were MX ? Are you afraid that if fleet gives up the CIC so will MX ?

 

[allstrike]

i care , and if i read this contract right you should be able to return to work with your senority at the time you were put on ice ... let's hope this is a winner!

Return to work at your original lay off station.If there is not ever going to be a recall to that station your then you dont return with seniority.Freedom tell the whole story. :down: :down: :down:

 

[philly rocks]

Hey Mr. Iceman, read the T/A and quote the cities that furloughs can appear if jet service is cut out, just read it man! Then I dare you to quote it word for word on this board and basically hang these employees out to dry!

Freedom is out for his own personal gains. A true union activists worries and protects even the smallest group.

You guys and gals have been offered a pitiful T/A, open your eyes and vote the right way.

 

[freedom]

well to adresses the first statment by all strike

Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.

Now after reading that paragraph from the proposed contract , it seems to me to state that a furloged worker CAN come back to a different station with the wages they had when they were sent away


To address philly rocks statment about being a true union activist ...

"Your negotiating committee unanimously recommends ratification of this agreement."

Those are the VERY true union activists ... do i care about my own self interest , yes i do , do i care about our field stations yes i do ...

Now about listing all of the stations that COULD be outsourced

ABQ, AUS, BUR, ELP, OAK,OMA, ONT, RNO, SJC, SLC, SMF, PDX, MSP, MCI, MKE, SEA, DEN and SAN

For starters i can't see SAN dropping below 14 mainline flights weekly , its just too big a destintaion . As for DEN,PDX,RNO,SJC,SEA , i feel it is likewise unlikely ... As for the rest there could be a real possiblity of that happening , i dunno .

 

[allstrike]

Lets look at this again..ok

7. Article 7 (Seniority) Integrated Seniority list will apply to all Employees no later than (OEI).
The CBA will be amended as follows:
• Effective on date of ratification the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur after that date.
• All Employees who are currently working at any station under the 60 day rule or any station
covered under the Interim Transition Agreement on the first day of the first pay period
following ratification will be placed on the pay scale consistent with their US Airways pay
seniority on date of furlough.
• Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.

What if your not on layoff from a closed station,and have no chance of being recalled to the station you were layed off from.That means people from pit or clt on layoff cannot go to another station and pick up were they left of on the seniority list.They still go to the bottom.

Unless your layed off after sighing.It will protect you but wont help those layed off from open senior stations.This is the whole intent,to get ride of the senior high paid people.You just dont seem to understand this.The rule is only eliminated for you freedom. :down: :down: :down:

 

[freedom]

Lets look at this again..ok

7. Article 7 (Seniority) Integrated Seniority list will apply to all Employees no later than (OEI).
The CBA will be amended as follows:
• Effective on date of ratification the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur after that date.
• All Employees who are currently working at any station under the 60 day rule or any station
covered under the Interim Transition Agreement on the first day of the first pay period
following ratification will be placed on the pay scale consistent with their US Airways pay
seniority on date of furlough.
• Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.

What if your not on layoff from a closed station,and have no chance of being recalled to the station you were layed off from.That means people from pit or clt on layoff cannot go to another station and pick up were they left of on the seniority list.They still go to the bottom.

Unless your layed off after sighing.It will protect you but wont help those layed off from open senior stations.This is the whole intent,to get ride of the senior high paid people.You just dont seem to understand this.The rule is only eliminated for you freedom. :down: :down: :down:

hmm are you reading this correctly , or perhaps i'm the who's not

Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.


Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more now i would assume that would mean anyone who's been on furlough since the last round of layoffs , now the next section which states

"In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough."

i would interpert that as meaning , that if the employees main station that they were furlouged from does not reopen that they then have a choice as to their next recall station ...

boy isn't playing legal interperter fun! it still amazes me that i have to defend our union's wishes and try to sort out the mumbo jumbo because they have failed to adequely explain what different things mean to the memebership ...

i think i'm right , all strike will proably think he's right , once again , for true clarification you need to ask your union reps.. i am not a union rep .

 

[allstrike]

It means if your station is not closed,you come back at the bottom of the scale,unless you come back to your original layoff station. Its a trick bro..read it

 

[Kelly]

Hey West Coasters, do you really think it's worth voting yes over this,, lets see what your losing, holidays,sick days,free medical,401 k match,limited duty work,profit sharing ( and this year could double your money from last), but thats ok, do the math after you get your raise, deduct everything, and oh I forgot, Uncle Sam just put you in a higher tax bracket too, theres more gone. Wake up people, do the best for you and the rest, VOTE NO, and show Parker we are not the cavemen in the comercials.

 

[philly rocks]

EXTRA EXTRA------PHILLY IAM NEWS!!!!

VOTE IS OVER!!!!


816- NO

62-YES

THIS WILL BE OFFICIALLY PUT OUT BY THE LODGE!!!!!!!!

 

[727_4_Ever]

hmm are you reading this correctly , or perhaps i'm the who's not

Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more shall forfeit all pay date
seniority except that an employee who is recalled to the station from which he was
furloughed will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of
furlough. In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is
recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough.
Employees currently on involuntary furlough for 60 days or more now i would assume that would mean anyone who's been on furlough since the last round of layoffs , now the next section which states

"In addition, if an employee’s furlough station remains closed and the Employee is recalled to their selected recall station, such Employee will be placed on the pay scale
consistent with their pay date seniority at date of furlough."

i would interpert that as meaning , that if the employees main station that they were furlouged from does not reopen that they then have a choice as to their next recall station ...

boy isn't playing legal interperter fun! it still amazes me that i have to defend our union's wishes and try to sort out the mumbo jumbo because they have failed to adequely explain what different things mean to the memebership ...

i think i'm right , all strike will proably think he's right , once again , for true clarification you need to ask your union reps.. i am not a union rep .

Once again Freedom you are falling into the trap set for you. You took the raise that's not the raise it appears to be and now you can't get what people are telling you about the 60 day rule. Pittsburgh IS NOT CLOSED....they have went way down in flights but did not close. Now those people laid off because of the major downsizing do not get to start elsewhere at the pay they should and will probably not get called back to the station they were let go from as I don't see this company building PIT back up to a real hub. Same thing could happen anywhere the company feels like doing it. Also the wording in the contract regarding how many jet flights need to be in a city to keep our work doesn't state what type of jet. I call and RJ a jet as it's name implies REGIONAL JET and it has jet engines. But Bruce and his buddies consider that a commuter and not a jet for us to count. So take SAN and fly a bunch of 70-100 seat RJ's into it and reduce any Airbus or Boeing flights for a period of time and bye bye Fleet. Don't think they won't do it. We on the East have seen it done. It's all business to them....no employee loyalty. So have another shot of Kool-Aid and watch the vote. Thanks to Philly for getting this right. Tomorrow it's our turn.

 

[philly rocks]

PHILLY IAM RESULTS ARE IN!!!!


816-NO
62-YES


PHILLY IAM WILL OFFICIALLY POST THE RESULTS!!!!