Fleet Service thread IAM

[JoeDirt]

D*&mn you joe that was my spot.

You getting slow O-man?

 

[necigrad]

but your company has continuously insisted on a cost neutral contract for our fleet craft.

And that is the first problem. The company wants a combined contract, and that doesnt' come for free.

Our mechanics come out ahead based on their skills. The pilots will eventually come out even better because of their skills. Does that mean a mechanic should expect the same wage increases as a Pilot? Absolutely not.
You and your network have failed to take into consideration that the fleet service craft is non skilled. Also, you didn't lose as much as other groups who have continuously built upon contract after contract.

No one is saying that if the pilots get $120K at 10 years we should. Nor is one saying that if M&R gets 60K we should. (And no, I don't know how much they get paid) But when they get a substantial raise, we deserve one too. Parker said he will entertain any contract change, so long as it remained cost neutral. Now we see that it doens't have to be cost neutral.

However, the teeth of solidarity is always the strike vote which you are not entitled to in transition talks. Our contract does not allow us to strike so we do not have the leverage to take full advantage of the solidarity that you and your fellow brothers and sisters have displayed.

I guess the West contract that is up for Section 6 doesn't count then. Do the West employees count? Doesn't sound or look like it.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, your company has previously insisted on only giving you a cost neutral contract outside of section 6 negotiaitons.

See above.

Your company needs to finalize transition to put itself in the best position for investment parties. What good is it if you get your holy grail $20 but don't have an airline to work for next year? Do you want to be responsible for thousands of families that have parents out of work? The fleet craft must recognize that we aren't talking about the chapter 11 bankruptcy laws, in this environment we are talking about chapter 7.

The current financial situation will be a factor when the Company is willing to pay us based on that when the going is good, not just bad. I have never heard of a comany in union negotiations say "Well, we're making money hand over fist, so you're all getting raises". If they want a "more affordable" contract on the grounds that fuel (or whatever) dictates lower pay, fine. I'll give them that when conditions are also given for when that situation no longer exists.

The bottom line is either Canale is negotiating on before of US Airways or United, or he's dumber then a brick. Dumber then all that high priced fuel too. Nothing should be given up in these negotiations. That includes the West contract. The best of the West and East contracts together should be the bare minimum for the IAM. Add in retro too. I've had a contract that was IN negotiations in 2005. Canale refuses to continue it, and I "want my mother ******* movie check".

 

[Labor Dawg]

MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS I HAVE BEEN AWAY FOR A WHILE LICKING MY WOUNDS OVER THE IBEW TRAIL. I STILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH MANY OF MY COUNTER PARTS AND I WILL SAY THIS LOUD AND PROUD. REMEMBER THE ALAMO! WE MUST STANDUP TO CANALE AND PARKER. THESE PEOPLE ARE ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO SCREW OUR GROUP FOR PERSONAL GAIN. I HAVE MADE A NEW HOME WITH ANOTHER JOB BUT I WILL FOREVER HAVE THIS GROUPS INTREST AT HEART. I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO REACH OUT TO FRIENDS TO ENSURE THAT THIS TA DOESN'T GO THRU. IF IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE INTREST OF THE GROUP AS A WHOLE! I CALL ON THE POWER OF THE NETWORKS THAT WERE SET UP DURING THE LAST T/A AND THE IBEW CAMPAGINE RUN. WE MUST CONTINUE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER. IT IS THE VERY ARROGANCE THAT RANDY SHOWS THAT WILL ULTIMATLY BE HIS UNDOING! THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD GUYS IN CLT, PHX, LAS, TPA, JAX, AND MY HOME PHL! THESE PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOW GREAT RESOLVE. EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT THERE IN BODY I MOST CERTAINLY BE THERE IN HEART AND SOUL! GOOD LUCK BROTHERS AND SISTERS!TIME FOR THE REAL STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!!!

 

[roabilly]

Quote: Distract Farce

However, the teeth of solidarity is always the strike vote which you are not entitled to in transition talks. Our contract does not allow us to strike so we do not have the leverage to take full advantage of the solidarity that you and your fellow brothers and sisters have displayed. It would have been nice to have this solidarity years ago when fleet was only giving us 50% strike votes.
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Distract Farce...

Thanks to the likes of you...

The "Strike Teeth" you speak of, were never allowed to fully develop!
I will re-post my opinion on this from the previous thread!

Members please note that because Section 6 for West was ignored by Cornhole'... we (Fleet) have to fight much harder than needed... just to get a fair agreement!
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Hypothetically … “if†Cornhole’e had pursued section 6… (As was his responsibility)
for the West over two years ago…

We (Fleet) would today, be well within the time frame needed by the RLA to vote to STRIKE.

Imagine these current Integration Talks with that little STRIKE incentive adding
Major heat to Mr. Hemenway’s a** !
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P.S. Mr. Farce…

You are obviously a pretty skilled “Spin Doctorâ€â€¦
However, you will never be able to spin the facts to the point that this
Fleet Solidarity Network can’t see through it!

 

[john john]

Tim,
as I told you previously, I am not against our members making $20 top out but your company has continuously insisted on a cost neutral contract for our fleet craft. Our mechanics come out ahead based on their skills. The pilots will eventually come out even better because of their skills. Does that mean a mechanic should expect the same wage increases as a Pilot? Absolutely not.
You and your network have failed to take into consideration that the fleet service craft is non skilled. Also, you didn't lose as much as other groups who have continuously built upon contract after contract.

THANK GOD USAIRWAYS CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENTS AREN’T REPRESENTED BY I.A.M.

 

[isthisok]

District Force says..........
"Do you want to be responsible for thousands of families that have parents out of work? The fleet craft must recognize that we aren't talking about the chapter 11 bankruptcy laws, in this environment we are talking about chapter 7."

I'm so tired of that line of thinking. If anyone is responsible for people being out of work it will be the company directed by these corporate thieves that are running the show not the Fleet Service craft. What is wrong with bringing the West into the existing contract as it is and see ya at the end of 2009? If they want us to open our contract for changes then stick the cost neutral theory and give us a fair industry standard combined contract.

DF take your "do you want to be responsible for.........." somewhere else because it ain't gonna work here. As long as the officers can give themselves unjust bonuses, even being so arrogant to give bonuses just for making the middle of the pack, we as Fleet Service will require just compensation.

The failure of this company will be on the hands of Dougie and his boot lickers and not Fleet Service standing strong and asking for a fair shake. No matter what, Dougie and his boys will come out of it smelling like roses........They made sure of that or do you have blinders on to not realize that.

 

[wings396]

Be careful what you wish for. I hope you have alot of seniority. I heard in one station all the people in catering are senior to the people on the ramp. Let the bumping begin. No fences pack your bags, WESTWARD HO!

I have plenty of seniority, and have no sympathy for this issue at all. Since the IAM saved this classification at the expense of 22 class 2 stations in 2005, what goes around comes around. The IAM should have seen the handwriting on the wall in 2005 It was the companies long term goal to get rid of catering at one point anyway, so had the IAM gone along with it then, those 22 stations will still be around today. There would have been some furloughs, but nothing like we had with all those stations outsourced forever. Putting the members in those stations out on the street to save the catering albatross, was dead wrong. With the high turnover rates in the Hubs, just about everyone from catering would have been recalled to their OWN station at some point, unlike those from the 22 stations that had to relocate. :down:

 

[b737200]

District force or aka TB,
At one time you did show some respect but now you've totally lost it.
In the April 3rd edition of the USAirways about US quote.... from CFO
Derek Kerr " we have taken steps to ensure our balance sheet is strong and
our debt payment have been pushed as far into the future as can be ( we only
have modest debt payments until 2014)."

Give the chapter 7 and 11 talk a break. It's wishful thinking on your part, to think
we will vote in this subsatndard T/A that cheap suites wants to bring back to the rank and file.
The Intn'l should go ahead and assign Delaney as head negotiator, hence cheap suites will
be leaving in Oct.

If any family's are hurting, it's because the iam keeps rasing our dues and and keep
bringing back concessionay contracts. The union reps are fat and happy and don't give
a d@#n about the working member and you too are guilty of this.

Stand up for us and stop siding with the company. You are paid to fight for a good
contract. Look at UA maint, you lost membership because of poor service. Take heed TB,
poor leadership will be the iam's airline divisions demise.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF

 

[robbedagain]

Hopefully they will get rid of that stupid 60 day which should have never been put in place to begin with.

 

[cltrat]

Distract Farce

why don't you invite "cheap suites" down to CLT to explain his position to the rank and file? of course we both know he doesnt have the stones for that

 

[mike33]

Fleet Service, Get ready to pay attention to this from the MX Ratifition............



QUOTE

"mechanics have ratified a new labor contract with the airline, their first agreement since the company acquired America West in 2005. According to a Tuesday release from the International Association of Machinists, the new contract extends through 2011 and includes an immediate 10% pay raise, followed by annual pay raises each January. Furthermore, the new contract allows for a [b[u]]"fair integration" of seniority lists without hurting either group[/u][/b], the union said.


Will someone explain what this means....I can only imagine after the pilots debacle. How do you say " ADJUSTED DOH "

 

[mike33]

Did MX not have Alegheney/Mohawk Language???

 

[cltrat]

I 'm not sure it matters seeing they voted for whatever fair integration means

 

[orioleman]

mike,
yes they do have that language. Good point it will be interesting to see how things play out . Now that the company has them locked up for 3 more years

 

[perserverance]

Now there is no TA.....hummm......
I'd like to know who signed off on this rag ?
AGC
Chandlee
Flynn
Gushi
Wingard
Rusk

VP
Miller

Reps
Fairbanks
Mendenhall
Reed
ROTH-las
SIMMONS-phl....may have lied to group, said he did not sign...we'll see.
Zuger
*Hall
*Fairbanks

I'm hearing the two at the bottom are the only ones' that refused.
Canale is a given.

Thanks