Fleet Service topic 9/28-10/11

[Kev3188]

I strongly believe that Leads should have Lead seniority. Just a hypothetical:

If say you've been a lead for 18 years, never leaving lead position....that seniority should apply to a lead bidding schedule. Someone who is a senior agent with no lead experience but coming into a lead position should not get a better bid than someone doing the job longer.

Fix that ND '08

I'm a lead at NW, and I agree.

We have separate bid lines for leads. You bid with your Lead date. Vacation, raises, sick/oji accrual, etc. are all DOH.

Why not? Seniority is seniority.Why should a 20 year man who decides to take a lead position be junior to someone who has been a lead longer but has less time with the company?

I like to think we're like minded, but on this I have to respectfully disagree with you.

I look at it like this; everyone who had more company seniority than me when I was awarded my lead position could have had it. I chose to bid it, they chose not to. That's how it goes...

...And since seniority is everything, why should I have to bide my time on crappy shifts, then finally get a nice one, only to be bounced back by someone who decides they want to carry the radio?

Fuzz,

I agree when it comes to layoffs and all other seniority issues. The only thing I want is "lead senoirity" when bidding a lead line. That's it, pure & simple. DOH for everything else as far as I'm concerned.

Amen.

I can't figure how I heard in LAS when they did the furloughs was how a F/T ramp agent six months seniority keeps their job, while a P/T ramp agent 3 years on the job gets the boot. I know it is probably in the CBA, but does this really make much sense to anyone?

Do you guys have language in your CBA about all PT'ers being displaced before any FT'ers do? We used to, but lost that in BK... Maybe that's what's going on there?

 

[Henderfuzz]

I can't figure how I heard in LAS when they did the furloughs was how a F/T ramp agent six months seniority keeps their job, while a P/T ramp agent 3 years on the job gets the boot. I know it is probably in the CBA, but does this really make much sense to anyone?

Also according to Necigrad, inner class seniority was based upon the last four-digits of SS number? I remember my class being date of birth with the older guys being higher, not to say it is right though. Maybe as an incentive and moviational tool that class test scores would be better (which of course, makes sense given I had the highest score in the class ).

So Puzzles Jester.

You cannot use age for seniorty anymore if you have the same hire date becasue of Fedral law. Its age discrimanation, so its based on the SSN.

 

[JoeDirt]

Where I come from Leads are nothing special. We have some good ones but we also have some lazy POS that took the position to get out of work. They are not even in charge of how the flight is to be loaded. If we are going to protect the "Lead" seniorty then why not protect "area" seniorty. I bid my work area because I like working there. When I am able to bid the same area with good days off someone should not be able to bid into that area and bump me back to bad days off. They could have bid into that area at any time but chose not to because the days off were not good.

What about station seniorty? The same could apply there too. My point is that a lead is basically an ramp agent who gets paid $1.01 more an hour to carry a radio and take care of a gate. That is how it is in my station but of course I have no idea how things are run elsewhere.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

I can't figure how I heard in LAS when they did the furloughs was how a F/T ramp agent six months seniority keeps their job, while a P/T ramp agent 3 years on the job gets the boot.

If you have two agents hired as P/T the same date and one goes F/T a year later they have 'different' seniority,despite having the same company seniority date?


Talk about convoluted...


With us you see a difference in company date and occupational date if someone came from a phased out classification (Title II Utility Maintenance, Building Cleaner,Cabin Cleaner) or if they are a transfer from Eagle or another title group.P/T or F/T, it doesn't matter.

In that case they'll keep company seniority for pay and vacation accrual purposes, but their occupational seniority in Fleet Service will be whatever day they actually start in Fleet Service.

 

[roabilly]

No matter how yahh slice it err dice it… Adjusted Seniority gittin’ forced down our throats is a travesty worthy of ahh WAR! This action was done clearly in violation of this memberships will! S*** like this… is whut got Canales a** tossed! It’s on!

 

[robbedagain]

Thats true Roa! I know that when I do finally get a start date at BWI as a ramp lead, that I will at least very minimum have 6 yrs with the company. But my question is how much seniroirty do i accrue from June 5 2005 thru the end of my time at ABE which I hope would be done by the end of oct at latest. I was hired June 27 1998 and furloughed June 5th 2005.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

If anyone has already filed a grievance or a protest regarding seniority, would you please PM me? As I have some questions concerning them. Also maybe instead of submitting individual grievances and protests, we could submit one big system wide one. I think that that would really send a message.

Rogue

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Does anyone know when the contracts will come out? That is if they haven't come out already. I think that we need them in hand in order to present the grievances and protests correctly. We need every available source at our disposal if we want to come through this seniority SNAFU victorious.

Rogue

 

[pjirish317]

Is there talk of the premium going up?
This is the contract the company wanted not us, so tah tah, I'd be willing to open it back up,
but there's a fee for doing that, like an extra week of vacation, 10 holidays and a top out
wage of 21.64 an hour. Sorry Al

b737200,

I agree with the extra week of vaca, & the 10 holidays, but the top-out should be around $23.50 or so. But we will have to wait for the company to make the first move on that. As far as our senority goes, the majority voted for this POS agreement, and contained in the agreement was the senority issue. It's a done deal untill such time that it can be addressed again. We are all just going to have to deal with it. So all of the east FSA's that voted yes, you voted yes to YOUR SENORITY! East or West, we have what we have, no use crying foul now that YOU voted for it now is there! You can't cry to the New Direction team now, there hands are tied at this point. So enerybody that voted YES to this POS for their 3 pieces of silver, we told you all this was a POS, but no, you wanted the money. You got it, but not your senority. Go figure. All of you must not have read the fine print. Ther were some of you on here that voted yes and thought about that vote carefully, but most did not. All those people saw were $$$$$$$$$$$$$. I was one of the few at my station that voted NO!. I would like to thank all on the ND08 team that I have spoken with about this POS and the insight that they have given me. You all know who you are, so THANK YOU!


Hey OMAN,

Top Branch for me this time.
Wish that I could be in JAX for Christams in October. But toast the ND08 Team for me will ya.

 

[P. REZ]

Speedbird1,


The integrated list has a major flaw. West agents got date of hire. East agents hired before 1998 lose seniority due to adjusted classification. We should all be under the same set of rules. Seniority should be "based on an employee's date of entry into his/her classification." Time spent out of the classification, such as Res, should be subtracted. The New Direction '08 team can get this corrected for us. We have 90 days to fix this.




West employees didn't get date of hire. It only appears that way. For instance, my seniority date shows 5-16-87 when I was actually hired 11-10-86.


P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

Mike33,

Again I don't know too much on how the HP fleet got one date but I think that P. Rez can help out on that one.


Our seniority list was just done differently than the east seniority list. So now it appears the west got date of hire. The wests hire date is actually an adjusted date for many employees hired before 1999. For instance my date of hire is listed as 5-16-87 when it is actually 11-10-86. Hope this helps.


P. Rez

 

[Ramp Rogue]

West employees didn't get date of hire. It only appears that way. For instance, my seniority date shows 5-16-87 when I was actually hired 11-10-86.


P. Rez

P. Rez,

As I browsed through the seniority list, it seems that all west employees have their hire date. How, why is it that you don't?

Rogue

 

[P. REZ]

P. Rez,

As I browsed through the seniority list, it seems that all west employees have their hire date. How, why is it that you don't?

Rogue

Ramp Rogue,

Our adjusted date is what is listed as our hire date.

P. Rez

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Ramp Rogue,

Our adjusted date is what is listed as our hire date.

P. Rez

P.Rez,

Why is it that you don't use your true hire date if hired prior to 1999?

Rogue

 

[necigrad]

A lot of West folks weren't hired as Fleet. In Vegas alone we have both former CSRs, Inflights, and Res agents. They have hire dates adjusted to when they entered the workgroup. If someone joined the Company in June 17, 1990 as an inflight, bt went to the ramp on November 11, 1996 their hire ate would be 6/17/90 and their adjusted DOH would be 11/11/96. This became far less common as time went on. In mn other cases, I believe including PRez, some were hired as temps. They didn't get classification senority until becoming a regular employee, and only then effectinve that date.