Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[orioleman]

"OMan wtf? What did you expect? I was told the meeting was for Chairmen only...CLT should have known this. "

what I expect is to have a representative from our city sitting in on the info meetings . That should be the right of every

member in every city to have someone there representing there city. JUST because has PERSONAL issues with some people

doesn't give him the right to not allow the rest of the membership in those citys to be privey to the information at hand.

so I guess we will just read between the lines and figure it out ourselves. TELL JR and company NO need to show there face

cause it will get real ugly fast.

 

[giantfan]

You're right Orioleman I do have an underlying motive.

I'm trying to be a voice of reason on this new T/A so I'm sorry if you think I'm flooding the board.

But this US against THEM mentality and VOTE NO as a protest vote irks the hell out of me. And it seems anyone who disagrees with you would NOT be a, how did you put it? "Well respected voice"

 

[Tim Nelson]

GF I'm not going to debate with you over this statement because it has been covered before. I'm sure someone else will though. My point is this its really not about the percentage number its about how its applied. I think we should have gotten a higher % raise. It seems you are happy with the 8.5%. Either way it should have been across the whole scale not just for us that are topped out.

Joe, the mechanics did get a 10% across the board. The fact is that everyone around us have gotten a helluva lot more than fleet service, according to this TA. I will have the information posted sometime in the middle of the week and then link it with my postings. The east will be a commanding No vote for sure. PHX is adamantly for this. Most of the 19 voted 90%+ last time but I think we will see a movement closer to a No vote from those stations.

The Yes votes will be those who are beatn down by hemenway.
The No votes will be those who understand that this contract is unfair and inequitable and not worthy of a yes vote. This "Wal Mart" Contract is worse than the one in September by millions.

Time will tell and we will know by May 8th.

PS. As a point of clarification
Canale apparently told some LC last week that I am not a Local Chairman and that I am a dues objector. Canale is a liar, I've NEVER been a dues objector and anyone is free to call my local and ask them if I'm the Local Chairman. Canale kicks off negotiators who don't agree with him, and he doesn't recognize the Locally recognized leaders if they put together a ticket kick him out of office.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[STEALTHSHOCKER]

gf
"By well respected do you mean I like you because you agree with me on everything I say?"

dude for someone who has been lurking for so long but yet in the last few days has over 30 post . I find that to be

a little self serving. what's being discussed on the this board has been being discussed for over a year now and yet

you feel compelled to jump in now and not only voice your thoughts (which is your right ) but flood the board.

kinda makes people think what's your underlying motive. BUT put your nose in to other peoples post well you haven't earned that

yet . not enough board seniority so to speak.. ME and JOE have known each other for better part of 15 years so I will ask that

you stay out of other peoples conversations.......

Oman this is for you...

HERE

First day or 20 year on this site who cares. Everyone is entitled to speak up. Thats what democracy and unionism are all about.

 

[robbedagain]

i agree that the payscale is screwed up it should be under one pay scale and i have to question why 12 yrs instead of 10 yrs I also believe the company CAN AFFORD to pay in the neighborhood of around 20-22 bucks an hr afterall, like another poster said, the airline is healthier than some of the other carriers 60 day rul should go all together as should canale and heminway

 

[The Bagfather]

You're right Orioleman I do have an underlying motive.

I'm trying to be a voice of reason on this new T/A so I'm sorry if you think I'm flooding the board.

But this US against THEM mentality and VOTE NO as a protest vote irks the hell out of me. And it seems anyone who disagrees with you would NOT be a, how did you put it? "Well respected voice"

It's us against a bad contract. But who's responsible for that bad contract?
So I guess you think we wouldn't be happy with anything. I've said
many times before that we will never get a fair contract outside of section 6.
But I no longer think that. But this latest try is not it, for all of the above reasons.

Thanks BF

 

[STEALTHSHOCKER]

"OMan wtf? What did you expect? I was told the meeting was for Chairmen only...CLT should have known this. "

what I expect is to have a representative from our city sitting in on the info meetings . That should be the right of every

member in every city to have someone there representing there city. JUST because has PERSONAL issues with some people

doesn't give him the right to not allow the rest of the membership in those citys to be privey to the information at hand.

so I guess we will just read between the lines and figure it out ourselves. TELL JR and company NO need to show there face

cause it will get real ugly fast.

Yeah your right they should have let someone in from CLT...someone without a political agenda who would go back to the membership and give out misinformation just so they could attempt to get elected in June. Not cool. Not at this point. This industry is f**d right now Oman. Truly think about it. Airlines are going t*ts up as we speak. TWU at AA is having a difficult time just getting a TA. We have one.

Elections for represtation are one thing but mixing that in with the TA vote is kind low. Let people hear the info from both sides and make an informed vote.

And if JR needs to be there at CLT to tell bros and siss about the TA then he should go. Why not get the info they deserve as dues paying members?

 

[giantfan]

"It's us against a bad contract. But who's responsible for that bad contract?"

OK....what is going to be in the next contract offer and when exactly is that coming? Just curious?

 

[orioleman]

gf
But this US against THEM mentality and VOTE NO as a protest vote irks the hell out of me. And it seems anyone who disagrees with you would NOT be a, how did you put it? "Well respected voice"


DUDE there are many on this board that disagree with me . Thats your right as a citizen of the US and I don't belittle people

that truely believe in what they believe. I put things out there to educate people . When people make B/S comments or

skew the truth then I will call them on it plan and simple.

 

[605AW]

" The east will be a commanding No vote for sure."

I feel I'm being held hostage here. JUST EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOUR DEMANDS?

 

[Black Magic]

Freedom im sorry you have ill feelings toward me. But let me clarify that I am not on the east coast, I work in phx. And NO I am not supportive with this TA. It is nothing more than a revised cost nuetral bankruptcy contract that the company is trying to trick everyone into.

If we accept this contract we will still be one step behind the rest of the fleet industry for a long time. Always fighting an uphill battle trying to get back more and more things lost!!!

I honestly feel those rallies in phx are a joke at headquarters. Ya you can be pissed but the company still doesnt care because they know you will still go back to work.

You have to have something that they want for them to give! Finally we have some control here, by not giving the company what they want (which is another bankruptcy contract). They want to merge badly and we are one of the final hurdles to do so!

MAKE THE COMPANY SHOW ME THE MONEY!

 

[orioleman]

stealhshocker , supershocker , shocker,

"irst day or 20 year on this site who cares. Everyone is entitled to speak up. Thats what democracy and unionism are all about."


its funny you say that cause . thats what we are always hearing from you guys. the MTC have been in this union for 50 plus

years so the deserve more than you because you've only been around 15 yrs. as far as democracy and unionism thats not in Randy's

vocabulary , You see when someone opposes the great BOSS so to speak he kicks them out. HOW'S that for democracy . running

back and forth with UNCLE AL in one room and the NEG team in another is not negiotating it's self serving. let me repeat myself

here so you understand. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DL elections in JUNE . that will come in due time . THIS is about MY benefits

my PAYCHECK and my LIVELY hood. and what RANDY brought back to the membership is utter B/S and you know it. IF YOU HAD

to LIVE UNDER THIS CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT 4 years YOU WOULD BE UP in ARMS too. but since your in 100,000k club you don't have the same struggles as the hardworking membership has.

 

[Tim Nelson]

"It's us against a bad contract. But who's responsible for that bad contract?"

OK....what is going to be in the next contract offer and when exactly is that coming? Just curious?

Nothing has changed in the fight for achieving an fair and equitable contract. Just because a company offers a ridiculusly unfair contract that reeks of disrespect and is less than the contract that fleet voted for in September, doesn't mean the members should turn around and vote yes.

Fair and equitable as measured by industry standards and the context of the situation on this property against the environment. Fleet service is not compelled to vote in a contract that guarantees right off the bat $1.50 less than Non-union continental. Everything about this contract is bottom of the industry and it is void of everything. That's why it should be voted out. The only hope of getting fairness is to vote this out. If this contract comes in then there is no hope and fleet service will not only be branded with this contract but also be paying dues for it. These type of work rules are worse than non-union Continental by a long long ways.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Jive_Lady]

raises hand quietly...

what about the short term disability? is that going away?

 

[The Bagfather]

"It's us against a bad contract. But who's responsible for that bad contract?"

OK....what is going to be in the next contract offer and when exactly is that coming? Just curious?

The company will come back to the table when it is in thier interests to
do so. For instance if the CIC is seen as standing in thier way they will
come back. If the outsourcing language is important to them they
will come back. It has a great deal to do with merger/buyout
scenarios also.
I'm not going to try to convince you because I know that a lot of FS
is going to think this is good for them. But I know it's not good
for a lot of us also. For instance CA with a hefty Geo will
see thier pay frozen for the next four years. I keep harping
of the effect of inflation not to try to convince people who are
gaining something not to vote for it but just to put the money
in perspective. $20.00/hr today with only 2.6% inflation is
worth about $22.50 four years from now.
Someone with a lot more experience than I explained how a company
like this in this situation operates. They have a timetable. They
have actuaries who have all the numbers in thier heads. When it's
worth it do do this, when its worth it to do that etc. I don't
know what else to say other than with all the information I
have my best guess is the company will be more motivated as
time goes by.
For one thing east section 6 gets closer each day.
Now none of this is meant to sway anyones vote so much as it is
to get this opinion out there as just part of the conversation.
In my particular case the way things are right now allow me
to take what I believe to be a relatively low risk. But
for others I'm OK with the fact that they are not.
Thanks Bf