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giantfan.
to show some creditability to who you say you are. ?? are you fleet / management / cs / mtc. and where do you work

I'll go first .

I have 20 plus years work in CLT and have spent time in other hubs and small stations . LOB back to you .

congrats on your Superbowl ring
 
So Neci, Maybe you can shed some light on this for me. Just wondering why the AWA pilots were not able to get sec 6 when they tried, and you think we can? Just seems like somethings not right. Those big important pilots tried their darnest and were shot down. Do you have a trick up your sleeve maybe you'd like to share with us, that the pilots union and ours couldn't figure out? You know, a way around those pesky NMB people?

Well, last I heard the West pilots are meeting on Monday with the Company. I don't look at the other threads all the time, so I may have missed something. If not, enighten ME.

Also Honey, I got another one for you. Maybe you just misunderstood, I'm going to guess that's it. You see if we don't vote for this TA giving some job protection to our field stations, then we are throwing those poor fellas under the bus. What an ugly mess that's going to be. Just wait and see the mess when those fellas go under the east contract. There's going to be furloughs everywhere. That's one big bus that would be barreling down on them. Let's just take care of those field stations now and vote for this thing. Everybody wins.

I'm hearing more and more that Canale can NOT roll West into the East contract. I suck ass at legalese so I can't research it, but I've never heard the IAM say "We can't do that legally". I HAVE heard Canale say that he has the obligation to the East employees to increase their position, and the TA can do just that. That was a dodge reply to "Why won't you seek Section 6 for the West" or some such.


I completly agree with you. Guys get out your contracts look at the outsourcing language in our agreement. There is improvment in this T/A, so if this is voted down and the west come under our current deal get ready for layoffs, mostly in the west.
Yes I also wonder what these guys are smoking thinking that Doug is going to go into seperate negociations with the west. He will not has said so many times. No seperate agreements.
I was also told that since the TWU removed themselves from the process way back 2 years ago, The IAM has the right to put them under our current ageement.

There's still lots of question on if that's a valid threat. I've never seen the IAM say the CAN, just that they will. And in the past, there have been situations that fufilled the conditions for that threat to happen, and I'm still not on the IAM contract. I doubt this is possible more and more every day.

TWU did not remove themselves from Section 6. Negotiations (and this is how I understand it, so if one of the TWU negotiators can correct or agree with me please do) were suspended as there was substantial confusion after the merger of what would happen with the contracts. Several sections had agreements, and the IAM has refused thusfar to continue them.
 
shocker,
"And if JR needs to be there at CLT to tell bros and siss about the TA then he should go. Why not get the info they deserve as dues paying members?"

WHY bother . more then half of HIS station doesn't even Know who he is . Pretty sad considering he was a Grievance Committee man

for what 6 to 8 yrs . and an AGC for 8 months. And please don't say hes so busy.. He blew off the union meeting on thur. and called

in to tell the local he was in NEG so he could be honorable excused. But gee NEG ended last SUN . Go figure.
 
"TWU did not remove themselves from Section 6. Negotiations ("

Your right they were paid off to the tune of 20,800.00 a month from the IAM . its public record.

or does the IAM just make contributions to other unions out of good well .
 
stealhshocker , supershocker , shocker,

"irst day or 20 year on this site who cares. Everyone is entitled to speak up. Thats what democracy and unionism are all about."


its funny you say that cause . thats what we are always hearing from you guys. the MTC have been in this union for 50 plus

years so the deserve more than you because you've only been around 15 yrs. as far as democracy and unionism thats not in Randy's

vocabulary , You see when someone opposes the great BOSS so to speak he kicks them out. HOW'S that for democracy . running

back and forth with UNCLE AL in one room and the NEG team in another is not negiotating it's self serving. let me repeat myself

here so you understand. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DL elections in JUNE . that will come in due time . THIS is about MY benefits

my PAYCHECK and my LIVELY hood. and what RANDY brought back to the membership is utter B/S and you know it. IF YOU HAD

to LIVE UNDER THIS CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT 4 years YOU WOULD BE UP in ARMS too. but since your in 100,000k club you don't have the same struggles as the hardworking membership has.

Dude those guys werent kicked out. They werent Chairmen. Your benefits, paycheck and livelihood are only enhanced by this TA.

I live under this contract as well as you and yes we are all in this together regardless of which role you play in this union. Its still all IAM.

Everyone has the same struggles. Here Oman you need a hug.

HUG FOR OMAN
 
I have been particularly quiet as of late on this board due to the uncertainty of what would be the proposed TA and now that I have it, I have been until recently equally uncertain.

What most troubles me most would be the outstations, even though I will not be effected. The IAM calls for “brotherhood†and “unity†while the NC plots to eliminate members’stations. So much for representation during the contract, perhaps those affected fleet service workers could, at least, get a refund on union dues paid? Shamefully, no one seems to have those unfortunate members backs and it is a forgone conclusion regardless of vote. Boss Canale states that if the latest TA is rejected then West will be rolled into the IAM contract, thus those stations are gone and if the TA is accepted then those stations are still gone (and who is going to stop him?). A “Yes†vote will, at least, buy them some time, whereas the alternative provides little time. Sadly and ironically, it “saves†jobs, at least, for the short term.

Pay and benefit package being offered is acceptable, although hardly ideal. It still takes well over a decade to top-out, but as a part-time West ramp agent I am not losing vacation, I gain a pension, I gain a decent raise, I get family insurance, I get sick pay, and most importantly, I get more time on a valid contract during some uncertain times.

Other issues as in the current CIC are worthless as it so poorly written that it would be relatively easy enough to structure any deal by which to avoid the possibility of activating the conditions. For example, if US Airways and United “merge†with multiple buyers once again (which will not be that hard to accomplish given the dollars involved), then we would have the same ruling as Arbitrator Bloch handed down a few months ago. I am also talking to United buddies who think they will be looking at a pay cut during the next round of negotiations. If this is true, then the Easties mantra of “just two moar years†will be closer to four more years or longer. I am not ready to wait 4+ years (on top of the two years I have already been waiting) for what MIGHT be an extra $2/hour, when I could be earning an extra $5/hours during that same period of time. To modify an old cliché, “Better to have 5 in the hand than 7 in the bush (especially 4 years out).â€

Furthermore, the disability coverage is a joke as I barely made anything at US Airways in the first place because the pay is so low, and the disability isn’t going to cover me in income I earn elsewhere. So the company disability will cover me enough to pay the utilities, but not nearly enough to pay the mortgage, insurance, or even food? What good is this?

So count me as an uneasy “Yes†vote and let’s get past this nonsense.

So Votes Jester.
 
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So let all be warned.
 
Good luck to all in the choice you make. I will vote in the direction that is most beneficial to my family.

Question for all:

If united buys us instead of the other way as everyone thinks, what stops ua management from outsourcing all of us?

Also for those people that feel safe at hubs; Alaska airlines outsourced their main hub: sea. On the same note, I find it wasteful that we would employ workers in a city with less than two flights a day. Also, who cares about cargo in Phx. Our attrition rate here is like 40 percent. No one is gonna lose their job in Phx. Wanna know why they cry about saving cargo? If it is outsourced they may be forced to load a plane like the rest of the "working class employees." this goes the same for our workers who sold out other cities to save catering in phl. Shame on you. They could have closed the catering, gone back to the ramp, and with that money, actual jobs would have been saved. That'sy babble for now.
 
Save708AW;

For your sake I hope that history doesn't repeat itself. We got rid of cargo and mail and got rid of jobs. Those folks in cargo in mail are the senior agents, at least here they were, they kept there job.

Study the past of this company. When US Air merger with PSA and Peidmont, it didn't take long for the job cuts to begin.

Look at the part-time/full-time ratio clause. They can do that by cutting jobs.

Vote what you think will help you and you family but know what your voting for.
 
Joe---

here's my honest answer...I just look at the top line----
well at least you're honest I can respect that you've already made it clear you care about no one but yourself

however me and 300 plus of my CLT co workers will be looking under that top line and we'll be voting No good health overcoming us
 
Once again I encourage you to talk with your CS agents. Ask them what is there top rate.
Yes they got one more week of Vac. But again there top rate is 18.60 .
So are we so far off of that for this deal. No we are not. For me I dont really care if CO or WN is making more than we do, we all know that airlines all have different bussiness models and there cost structure is different. We should focus on, is this a good deal for now and is it something we can live with.
For you guys in the hubs if you gamble and vote no and as Canale has stated this is it, where does that leave you. In 2 or 3 years your still at 17.87 instead of 19.80 if we vote this in.
In this economy Im not sure I could live with that. Its your choice but as I have said before make sure you go to the meetings and listen to our leaders, dont vote this down just because your buddy says its our way of showing the company. You have to to do what is best for you and your family.
For those who as the T/A says may be outsourced I very much sympathise with your plight, I have moved 4 times in my career, and several times my decesion was based on what I knew was comming.
I say its time to move forward and this I feel is our best chance for that.
 
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Station protection isn't worth the paper that it is written on. In 83 or 84 M&R had a protected station closed.
It went to arbitration. It was LOST. "The company has the right to determin it's own destiny".So your
SENIORITY Article is very important. Bumping ,going with the work,etc. Allegheny-Mohawk LPP. Also the alter-ego,airline within an airline. If it's in there you have job protection. BUT I have had to work six different stations to hold a job. So if you don't have time you may get a pink slip unless you move, or can move. M&R is back to 2002 wages ONLY. The rest of it still $ux !

FYI Guy's
 
I also have another item everyone who may be thinking about a no vote on this. If you are really concerned about your bothers in some of the small and even medium stations than think about this.
If you gamble that they will come back to us, just remember in this T/A the 60 day rule is gone.
If we stay where we are at, and with what this company has already said that they will reduce capacity, just remember until that is gone some of your buddies may be layed off and if they cannot come back than, well you know the rules of this silly provision in our current agreement.
For me that would be enough to vote yes to protect those guys who may be out there and possible facing this in the future.
Something that makes you Hummmm
 
Once again I encourage you to talk with your CS agents. Ask them what is there top rate.
Yes they got one more week of Vac. But again there top rate is 18.60 .
So are we so far off of that for this deal. No we are not. For me I dont really care if CO or WN is making more than we do, we all know that airlines all have different bussiness models and there cost structure is different. We should focus on, is this a good deal for now and is it something we can live with.
For you guys in the hubs if you gamble and vote no and as Canale has stated this is it, where does that leave you. In 2 or 3 years your still at 17.87 instead of 19.80 if we vote this in.
In this economy Im not sure I could live with that. Its your choice but as I have said before make sure you go to the meetings and listen to our leaders, dont vote this down just because your buddy says its our way of showing the company. You have to to do what is best for you and your family.
For those who as the T/A says may be outsourced I very much sympathise with your plight, I have moved 4 times in my career, and several times my decesion was based on what I knew was comming.
I say its time to move forward and this I feel is our best chance for that.

CS makes that now what are you going to be saying when there new contract is 20.60?

The less they pay us the more they have for them. THINK!
Think aout te future.,
 
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