Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

Did you log onto Wings to check that out?

Don't have access.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

 

are you sure about that? I thought SkyWest did RJ BW ground handling in SLC?

They still do some. M/L took over a good portion of it sometime ago.

are you telling me that even in hub operations, DL uses the same number of employees to staff an RJ gate as they do a 739ER or 757? somehow I doubt it even if that is what they do in a spoke city where a crew might see a mixture of RJs and mainline on the same gate.

The gate model for a NB in a hub is the same. That came from resource planning, and AFAIK, it hasn't changed. Would be quite happy to hear that bigger gauge= more manpower on a unit.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thanks for the update, Kev, and the clarification regarding staffing.

DL still has more operations from SLC than they did a year ago for mainline as well as on a combined mainline/RJ basis.

on that measure alone, DL should be needing more rampers than they had a year ago, assuming the operation is properly staffed now and that it was then.

Whether DL staffs SLC correctly now or overstaffs it is not entirely relevant as long as DL provides a job for those who will be impacted by the SLC cargo decision.

and it still validates that DL will have its own cargo personnel in more cities than competitors who have outsourced those jobs.

 

[Kev3188]

 

Whether DL staffs SLC correctly now or overstaffs it is not entirely relevant as long as DL provides a job for those who will be impacted by the SLC cargo decision.

 

Sure it is.

 

[Kev3188]

 

Don't have access.

Josh

Oh. Just Jetnet, then?

 

[737823]

Oh. Just Jetnet, then?

Im going to have someone call Steve Miller DL 141 and find out.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Will he be able to explain how someone that claims to work in finance has access to AA's password protected employee website?

 

[737823]

Will he be able to explain how someone that claims to work in finance has access to AA's password protected employee website?

Never said I did.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Oh, so the "family business" is actually AA, then?

 

[737823]

Family business is property management and rental properties.
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

Sure it is.

upon the presentation of the facts, I can obviously only allow each person to make their decision.

You are clearly bright and capable of interpreting all of the data on the table.

that said, we have had this same type of discussion a number of different times before regarding changes to DL staffing in particular locations; I believe the last time also involved MEM - but we had DTW maintenance thrown in there too so I can't remember all of the timing. I asked in both cases for an update on what took place. Can you provide any updates on those who were impacted - where they landed etc?

BTW, carry on with the inquisition of Josh. We really have no idea who he is or in what context to take his comments.

Full disclosure at least with respect to the airline industry is pretty much the baseline for those who participate in this forum. Names and outside interests/activities are irrelevant. One's connection to the airline industry is absolutely relevant.

 

[robbedagain]

Josh i know steve from my haydays in bos i do think we have our own peeps in cargo

 

[Kev3188]

 

Family business is property management and rental properties.
 
Josh

Indeed. So how does that facilitate access to AA's password protected employee website? Is AA your second job, or do you no longer actively participate in the "family business?"

 

[737823]

Indeed. So how does that facilitate access to AA's password protected employee website? Is AA your second job, or do you no longer actively participate in the "family business?"

Nope it's all me, my sister isn't interested in the least bit. I never said I have access to JetNet.

Josh

 

[topDawg]

first of all, UA has NOT been posting financial results anywhere close to what DL has been posting.

Who said otherwise? 
 
 

second, for someone who supposedly studied business at UGa, dawg seems clueless to the financial reality that governs companies.

for someone who worked at a major in management your read/comprehension skills (or lack off) are terrible. 
 
Wait.....you are a tech grad aren't you? That would explain a lot. 

 

It doesn't make ANY sense to continue to employ a workgroup at MEM that doesn't produce the revenues necessary to justify itself. MEM hasn't had a widebody or int'l flight for years which means most of the cargo is either Dash (which I believe can also be sold at the ticket counter) or HRs (remains not resources).

I'm not *as* upset about MEM. That comes with the closing of the hub. 
 
However, cutting jobs when the company is rolling in money is a joke. These jobs have very very very very little to do with Delta's overall cost base. This is cutting to cut. 
 

As I said, I'm a little more surprised at SLC but Kev says there is a history there which we clearly don't know.

okay Delta has a history of trying to cut every single station they have and give it to DGS. That doesn't make anything right. 
 

And as Kev also notes and I fully expect, the SLC employees can be protected in other depts. likely with little to no movement in pay.

They will get a job, now they might get to move to LGA......sounds awesome. 

What I find absolutely fascinating, dawg, is that you feel it is your responsibility to harp on union issues involving other employee groups since union efforts in Tech Ops have NEVER amounted to enough to move the needle despite the fact that mechanics at most airlines are one of the easiest workgroups to unionize.
why is it that you have to throw out non-truths for the pilots and rampers esp since the pilots have a union which is what you think the rest of DL employees have and yet you don't think they are capable of standing up for themselves?

What non-truths have I thrown out? Please show me.
 
And again, quit telling people what they can/can't post on. If we are going that route then you need to leave......you have nothing to do with Delta Air Lines and shouldn't be posting on such. (see I can play stupid games too)  
 

DL does not as a policy reduce pay if an employee is involuntarily moved from one dept. to another.

unless they feel like they wanna reduce their pay. 
 

and as for part 2, DL's motivation with putting employees in the dept. where resources are needed is no different than when DL made the decision to quit flying widebody aircraft to Florida and instead redeploy them on int'l routes. DL moved 777s to DTW for Asian flying because there was a greater potential to use those aircraft more efficiently and for greater potential for financial gain. Given that DL's int'l operation from DTW is larger than it was with NW, it is hard to argue that DL wasn't interested in using its resources in the best profit-motivated manner.

oh good lord. What a stretch........ 
 

And SLC mainline IS growing because of DL's focus on the west and as part of DL's overall shift in flying from regional carriers to mainline.

Not really true. System wide mainline growth doesn't mean SLC mainline growth. For the most part SLC is flat. SLC will get its growth from the large RJ, not much mainline. 
 
 
 

if flight activity is increasing - which I just cited - then costs for servicing mainline flights will have to increase. Note that DL is increasing the percentage of DL operated, DL employee worked flights but decreasing the number of RJ operated and staffed flights.
 

 
 but you haven't cited anything. Again system mainline growth doesn't equal mainline growth at SLC. Mainline is growing (mostly) in the east. DCI is growing in the west. 
 
For SLC they are pretty much flat......