Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[robbedagain]

paid well yet DL can reduce it without having the need to go to court   they can do as they see fit   reducing PS  anything they want whenever they want regardless      yet they have the largest RR in the US  who are paid significantly less  yet they do more work   Not all of ramp functions are DL mainline employees   Gee  wonder why that is

 

[Kev3188]

Because there's nothing stopping them, of course...

A little counter balance would go a long way...

 

[700UW]

All PMUS employees on the ramp are part time and full time benefitted positions, no RR employees , a part time cap and top out pay will be $24,39 next month and every single ramp employee are on th same pay scale and receive the same percentage raise, can you say that about DL?

Nope.

 

[Kev3188]

Well, like I said; a little counter balance would go a long way...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and US' station employees are paid less than DL employees on average.

what none of you can debate is that DOT data shows that DL's FT rampers make more because of the RR program and DL has more of its people in house in more stations than AA or UA - precisely because DL has the labor flexibility.

Kevin has even accurately stated in the past that it probably costs DL less to use an RR than to outsource the job. and RRs mean that there are FT jobs alongside them. It is precisely because of that reality that there really is little threat to DL outsourcing stations that are currently mainline staffed as long as flight activity stays fairly high - which it is doing.

Again, AA and UA have cut dozens of stations from being serviced by their own people either above or below wing or both. WN is pushing for that freedom from its rampers.

and Kev didn't offer to reduce its own salary in order to increase RR salaries.

there isn't a bottomless pit of money. DL already is paying its full-time employees far better than average for the industry and has provided better job protection for them.

the vast majority of DL employees say no disadvantage to being "at will"... apparently the company is capable of doing what is necessary to keep them non-union.

Kev was also right that DL is capable of paying its employees well enough to keep the unions out and DL very successfully uses that strategy.

while some people want a union just because everyone else had them, most DL employees are capable of making an honest economic evaluation of the issue and can see that it makes no economic sense to cut their pay in order to be paid like their peers at other airlines just to have a union.

 

[southwind]

How is DL going to address losing 40% of the workforce?
Guess you couldn't figure out that was a photo, and you have to type the link or look up the BLS inflation calculator .
Keep deflecting doesn't hide your ignorance.

 

I typed the address exactly how it showed in your union propaganda post......nothing, Nada, zilch but carry on with your PERSONAL ATTACKS, in the topic YOU labeled " No Personal Attack's !"



 

Lies again the current administration has added millions of jobs to the economy vs his predecessor, why would you blatantly post misinformation knowing you would get caught once again?

Err...
"In Ranking Presidents by Job Creation, Obama Still Lags!

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/12/05/in-ranking-presidents-by-job-creation-obama-still-lags/


But keep spreading you'd lies!

 

[700UW]

Guess you aren't capable of using Google?

Bureau Of Labor Statistics Inflation Calculator .

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

Job creation:
http://prospect.org/article/obama-compared-prior-presidents-job-creation-graphs

 

[WorldTraveler]

funny but not surprising that you subscribe to the argument that no other president gets credit for creating all of those jobs because they used bad economic policies and yet Obama just waltzed into office and created all of those jobs despite the fact that the US economy was still reeling from 9/11 and the housing market collapse.

and you STILL have yet to provide any statistics showing how many of those jobs are benefitted, full-time positions.

let me help you out.... the vast majority of jobs created in the US fit that category....

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/america-part-time-jobs-poverty/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.html

so save your wrath against DL for the RR program and start dealing with the bad government policies that are creating part-time, unbenefited jobs instead of stable full-time benefitted jobs.

 

[Airlinelifer]

According to one of the DL Stock Clerks that works at my station.
 
RR's are in Tech Ops now.... in Stores (and I thought it was only limited to ACS).
 
Spreading the love....

 

[Kev3188]

You can add Reservations to that list as well. GSE maintenance too, IIRC...

 

[southwind]

funny but not surprising that you subscribe to the argument that no other president gets credit for creating all of those jobs because they used bad economic policies and yet Obama just waltzed into office and created all of those jobs despite the fact that the US economy was still reeling from 9/11 and the housing market collapse.and you STILL have yet to provide any statistics showing how many of those jobs are benefitted, full-time positions.let me help you out.... the vast majority of jobs created in the US fit that category....http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/america-part-time-jobs-poverty/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.htmlso save your wrath against DL for the RR program and start dealing with the bad government policies that are creating part-time, unbenefited jobs instead of stable full-time benefitted jobs.

Oooo....more pretty charts and graphs!


  

According to one of the DL Stock Clerks that works at my station.
 
RR's are in Tech Ops now.... in Stores (and I thought it was only limited to ACS).
 
Spreading the love....

Guess you aren't capable of using Google?
Bureau Of Labor Statistics Inflation Calculator .http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
Job creation:http://prospect.org/article/obama-compared-prior-presidents-job-creation-graphs

  

According to one of the DL Stock Clerks that works at my station.
 
RR's are in Tech Ops now.... in Stores (and I thought it was only limited to ACS).
 
Spreading the love....

Haven't heard of one single person @ TechOps who's classified as RR!

 

[700UW]

Do you hear it when a tree falls in the woods?

DL has been using DGS contractors at TechOps in ATL for a while, come out of your cushy shop and see reality.

Obviously you aren't working in stores nor in what station lifer works at.

 

[WorldTraveler]

You know what government data you might want to look if you want to know the truth? the actual DOT data that shows that DL's airport employees get higher total compensation than AA/US or UA and are within single digit percent of WN even with the RR program.

For AA, UA, US, it isn't a small percentage... it's double digit differences in higher compensation for DL employees.

but let's face it that you want to see DOL data that isn't specific to the airlines and includes a lot of government workers since the highest percentage of union workers are government works while ignoring airline specific data that shows where DL employees rank.

and DL still has its own personnel at more stations that AA and UA.

those are airline industry specific facts that show why DL employees have repeatedly rejected further unionization and why the union tries so hard to ignore the whole truth in favor of manipulated statistics including an unwillingness to include DL employee profit sharing in their compensation comparisons.

when you make statements about what AA/US employees got in 2014 pay raises or for any historical period, there is no justifiable reason other than an attempt to hide the truth to exclude what DL employees received.

 

[700UW]

DL non-union ACS have three different pay scales since 2012 they received 2%-4% raises each year depending on which of the pay scales they are on same for the FAs, just last year PMUS ramp got 9.53% raise, pretty easy to figure out 9.53% is greater than what DL employees got over the last two years.

Also PMUS employees have better and less costly insurance than DL employees have and the CBA that PMUS employees enjoy ensures better QOL issues and a defined benefit plan and don't have to find their own retirement like DL employees have to and the most important thing the PMUS employees have is scope protection, which DL employees don't have, as they are employees at will.

 

[Kev3188]

QOL improvements would be nice. So would a system ensuring policies and procedures are consistently followed.

Transparency, accountabilty, agency. None of those are unreasobale requests...